Tresa, I think that taking the low road with this dog will be the best solution so that you don't get yourself hurt.
What you just said:
QUOTE: "make him do something (down, sit, stand, run around a pole etc) step away then release and toss, no chance to grab my hand."
Sounds like a safer way for you to handle this. Just make sure that you are far enough away before you release him so he can't lunge at you. I would TOSS THE TOY & THEN RELEASE him. That way the toy is out of your hands while he is still on command.
When Betty mentioned the high-pitched sound, I thought of how he acted after you broke your hand. Not sure exactly how much acting it would take, but if you getting actually hurt kept him from pooping on the go for some time.. just a thought.
Except that a dog might know "real" -- if you really are in pain, you probably release a smell of some sort.
If he makes you out as a whining faker he might attack to shut you up. Some dogs, not many, but some will pile on a crying pup, especially if the dog is all lit up.
It might not be smart to try to draw out some "compassion" factor. It might just be dangerous.
Betty, he would know the difference, but it DOES hurt when he bites my hand so I have to remember to not do my automatic swearing and remember to do the yelp instead.
A tired dog is a good dog, a trained dog is a better dog.
I think you better concentrate on prevention. You've had him a long time. This reads to me like a dog who's telling that you aren't going to make me do this and I don't think you should try at this point.
He's an older dog now. I think you should be satisfied with what he'll do willingly.
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Huge ditto.
I've been concerned that you might be a little over your head, as many or most of us would be with this dog, and what Steve says makes total sense.
Just plain strict management (particularly when an owner is unsure of or uncomfortable with how to conduct a big "knock it off" moment) is often not given the attention it deserves.
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