asit , i'm not there to see exactly what is going on and how you are dealing with it but it sounds like you have a taken a defensive / submissive behavior of hers , and decided to correct her for it .

so you have now just increased her stress level with regard to the situation , which has only resulted in her reacting even more to whatever was putting her off in the first place .

i hope i don't offend our female members here ('cause us males got our own problems ! ) but remember this is a young female dog whose body , and all the things that regulate it , are going through changes that she may not yet be comfortable with .

look to make her life as stress - free as possible and limit new situations and meetings . . . stick with the things you know she is comfortable with .

if you are anywhere near board member " ram " , go see him , he's got a real nice gentle way of handling his dogs .

Great post Ian, no offense taken here. Good information.


Had to do some interpreting too and thought it might be handy for reference. This is what I came up with:

i have been following all the rules to be a pack leader ,i have through lots of dvds regarding ds from leerburg

I have been following, what I think, are the rules about being a pack leader. I've been through lots of dvd's regarding this.

,i also have seen she is vry panic abt me like if i pet her or hold her in my arms her ears are back laying d ground nd growls

She has become fearful of me. She doesn't like me hovering over her and wrapping my arms around her. Ears back and growling.

panic aggresion towards me

She sees me and panics. In her anxious state she bites.

,it hapnd so many time nd evrytime i corrected her like i learn from the dvd dealing with a dominant and aggressive dog ,i hang her for few seconds nd she stops but hit d ground,

It happens a lot now and I correct her every time just like I've learned from the Leerburg DVD, (DDAD). I hang her for a few seconds and she stops, but she hits the ground.

bt after doin that i m noticing she s so frightened abt me nd these days she dsnt feel comfortable with me

But after doing that, I'm noticing she is now so frightened of me and doesn't feel comfortable with me.

i have been notice that sm time she getting petted my smone she knows and she she suddenly goes in nippinf from a submissive state of mind although she know d person very well frm her puppyhood,,

Now, when someone familiar to her is petting her, she will suddenly become fearful and nip them.

m lil bit confused should i stop d correction nd treat her in other ways or what..she doin ds last few days a lil more

I'm confused. Should I stop correcting her this way? Or is what she is doing only going to last a little while longer if I keep this up.



You've received some very good information already. Are you able to understand what's being said?

 Quote: asit kumar bhattacharya

"GIVE ME SOME IDEA"

Maybe you could give us some more ideas first.

It's easy to say you followed the DVD's but what exactly are you learning. Walk us thru a couple of these corrections.

When did this start? How old was she?
What is she doing and what are your thoughts about what she is doing is relation to what you've learned?
What exactly do you do? Type of collar, type of correction (describe), length of correction.
And afterwards, (gosh, when she's trembling and hitting the ground), then what do you do?

Asit, you know that when a dog growls she is telling you she is uncomfortable. It's her only way of speaking to you.

This one is easy, remove her from the situation or in the cuddling case, as has been mentioned, stop what you are doing. Just for now, until this settles down. You can marker train her trust back, in slow increments.

It's something you're going to have to do any way if you want to rekindle any kind of relationship. If my understanding is correct, what you have been doing could be described as torture.

A submissive, scared pup, "Grrr...Please don't hurt me anymore." And your response is to go off on another hanging session. Oh my.

 Quote: asit kumar bhattacharya

and whenevr i give this corrections i stay calm and i never loose my temper or never been loud or crazy...

I don't know Asit, the title of your post sums it up pretty well for me. "Handler Panic". This is a handler panicking.

There are folks here that can help though. Break it down a little more and for god's sake, STOP with the corrections, immediately. Give her a break.

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IMHO, this is not as much about the type of correction or the proper delivery of said correction as it is about the purpose of the correction. Correcting a dog for an avoidance/fear reaction is not appropriate.

IMO, you need to quit giving corrections and rebuild a bond based on trust. You need to back up and emphasize training that promotes a positive interaction, and you need to take a break if you are getting frustrated with her behavior. Only after you have rebuilt some semblance of a bond should you proceed with demanding training. Before you resume correcting, you should carefully consider WHY you are giving each correction.

JMO

 Quote: CJ Barrett

You've received some very good information already. Are you able to understand what's being said?

When she is trembling and hitting the ground), then what do you do?

If my understanding is correct, what you have been doing could be Described as Torture.

A submissive, scared pup, "Grrr...Please don't hurt me anymore." And your response is to go off on another hanging session. Oh my.

There are folks here that can help though...

And for God's sake, STOP with the CORRECTIONS, immediately.

Give her a break.

AMEN & THANKS -- My heart breaks from thinking about this poor dog !!!

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Correcting a dog for an Avoidance/Fear reaction is NOT appropriate.

IMO, you need to QUIT giving CORRECTIONS and rebuild a Bond based on Trust.

You need to back up and emphasize training that promotes a Positive Interaction, and you need to TAKE a BREAK...

Only after you have rebuilt some semblance of a bond should you proceed with training.

Positive Motivation ONLY Marker Training is in order here, IMHO, thanks Duane

i know i have done some bad corrections on her with a prong collar previously while i was working with her for obedience ,it was really hard and bad way ,sometimes i had became so bullies ,she was around 8months on that time but when i noticed her that whenever i am goin near her to give a correction she becomes terrorize ,hits the belly in ground with ears back and tries to nip me when i try to lift the drag line from the ground or if i try to grab her collar..after noticing that i almost stopped correcting her hard with a prong collar bcuz i realized that she is a soft and submissive dog...since then i dnt correct her like that way rather i motivate her with her tug ,its true i see a panic state on her abt me but its very rare,not all the time especially she never behaves like this when we both are out on walk or for exercises..she is so confident with me out side and she s very happy with me out side....
the problem i notice is mostly when she s in home...that is why i have started to give her a few marker training and play session inside of house everyday ,i am tryin to make her comfortale with me in home too...but the thing i need to know is .what should i do if she suddenly growls or try to nip me again? should i let her alone in that moment? i am affraid if she gets a wrong msg from this behaviour if i let her alone right after she tries to nip me....no matter what she does but i am confident that i will rectify my faults and mistakes to make her feel comfortable..i jst have to give her more time with happy face and marker in good behaviours and i will do that bcuz only we really have a awsm bonding with each other but i made few mistakes in which she is lil confused abt me, will solve that any way
one thing more i would like to add here that even when it hapns and i give the correction for growling or nipping , i dont stop to taking her out for walk and exercise.it continues...i give correction but i continue the daily routine what i have with her like walk or taking her out for play the difference is in general days i talk a lot with her on walk or play time but whn i associate the correction on her ,since the time she goes out with me as everyday but i dnt talk or pet her for next two days and i get normal again with talking and plying..i was jst thinking about it that is it the problem for her ,is she confused with this two different behavour of mine???

Do not correct any dog for growling unless you want to create the opportunity for a serious bite with no warning. IMO, nipping from this dog should be treated with management - if you have a crate, crate her without emotional reaction.

then what do u think ?will this growling stop by doin this? though i have no crates in home ,but i tie her whn it hapns

Asit, your harsh corrections, starting at 8 months old, during your obedience session, is probably what started all this, among other corrective measures you have been taking to assert your authority.

I like your use of the word Bully, it's correct.

As Tracy mentioned, it's understandable why she wants to bite you, she's defending herself. Nothing aggressive about this.

Most people that get bullied/beat up aren't just going to stand there and get the shit kicked out of them. They're going to try and move away or fight back. In her case, she couldn't move away, she was on the end of your leash. She took the harsh corrections but didn't understand why they were happening. They appeared to come out of nowhere and now she has no idea when she can expect one again. She is afraid of you.

The Leerburg videos DO NOT teach bullying, they teach firm, fair and consistent leadership.

Then there's the whole piece on obedience training. Never correct a dog until you are 100 percent sure they know what you are asking them to do. Starting at 8 months, with what sounds like some very confusing training, you and she need guidance, not prong or dominant collar hanging.

Hopefully you understand this and we've done our job correcting you. Now to fix this.

Crating is good but not always possible. Especially in your heat. We need to figure out what's causing the growling (making her uncomfortable).

Describe these situations, when does she growl? What are you doing when this happens. These friends as well. And don't just say petting cause there's other things going on.

Oh and the "Not speaking to her". Can I ask how old you are?

As far as I'm concerned, people "talk" way too much to their animals to begin with. We like them to be quiet, not all barky, barky and sometimes I think they'd like us to be the same.

To me, it sounds more like you are giving her the silent treatment and well, sometime that can be welcome. Are you thinking this is teaching her something? I think not. It does give YOU some down time to control your emotions though and really be mindful with what you are going to communicate to her.

And you're talking about breeding her.

I just--I don't even have the words.