Christina Stockinger wrote 09/09/2015 07:30 AM Re: Halties [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399174 - 09/09/2015 07:30 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Thanks so much to you all for your answers. They helped me to decide, that I will not even try it with a halti, but to go on in those always recommended babysteps, adding gradually more distractions and using what I've learned about engagement skills. I trust more in training a dog and accept that mistakes will always happen during this probably lifelong process. After all these dogs walk nicely and the rest will be a matter of time, patience and consistency. I already thought of a prong, but frankly I'm a bit afraid I could use it in a wrong way. I of course would have to read more articles and watch the LB DVDs. I've heard that using a prong can make some dogs more aggressive if not used correctly, especially a dominant dog. And there is far and wide no professional trainer here, who could correct me. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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tracey holden wrote 09/09/2015 11:41 AM Re: Halties [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399177 - 09/09/2015 11:41 AM
tracey holden Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2010 Posts: 1442 Loc: UK Offline	The prong needs to be quite high on the neck, or it can do damage, and it is advisable to condition the dog slowly, so that they get used to wearing it before you start to walk them out of the house and garden. They are fantastic aids for training, and while they don't replace the need for training the dog to walk in the way you expect them to, they give you the tool to stop the lunging and pulling. I use the sprenger prong, and they are a bit fiddly to start with, but it won't take you long to get the hang of it
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/10/2015 06:25 AM Re: Halties [Re: tracey holden ] #399181 - 09/10/2015 06:25 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Thanks, Tracey, I think I will try this, but first inform myself exactly. Fortunately there are enough possibilities at LB. Additional question: (no need to answer if you lack the time) Just curiosity: What breeds are the dogs on your lovely foto? The ones in front are Pits, ne? The white one with the red colar seems to be a Pit to, or is he some mix? The black and white speckled one is what? What beautiful dogs! “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Betty Landercasp wrote 09/10/2015 07:42 AM Re: Halties [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399184 - 09/10/2015 07:42 AM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	Don't be afraid of a prong. It looks scary, but it isn't --- it doesn't hurt the dog at all, just makes them understand without you doing a thing that pulling isn't pleasant. A prong doesn't choke because most dogs just don't pull so hard against it. In my view, the prong is more humane than a standard "choker", though I use both. Prongs can come apart, though, so you need a slip lead on too, for safety. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Candi Campbell wrote 09/10/2015 10:50 AM Re: Halties [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #399186 - 09/10/2015 10:50 AM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2013 Posts: 1571 Loc: Offline	Quote: Betty Landercasp Don't be afraid of a prong. It looks scary, but it isn't --- it doesn't hurt the dog at all, just makes them understand without you doing a thing that pulling isn't pleasant. A prong doesn't choke because most dogs just don't pull so hard against it. In my view, the prong is more humane than a standard "choker", though I use both. Prongs can come apart, though, so you need a slip lead on too, for safety. AMEN to Betty's post And I always use a Dominant Dog Collar as back-up while my dogs wear a prong, just in case, though the Herm-Sprenger prongs (when fit right) typically don't come loose).
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Candi Campbell wrote 09/10/2015 10:56 AM Re: Halties [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399187 - 09/10/2015 10:56 AM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2013 Posts: 1571 Loc: Offline	Quote: Christina Stockinger Thanks, Tracey, I think I will try this, but first inform myself exactly. Fortunately there are enough possibilities at LB. Additional question: (no need to answer if you lack the time) Just curiosity: What breeds are the dogs on your lovely foto? The ones in front are Pits, ne? The white one with the red colar seems to be a Pit to, or is he some mix? The black and white speckled one is what? What beautiful dogs! Let's see if I remember her dogs correctly The matching pair in front are Boerboels (is that the right spelling) and the other 2 are English Pointers (???)
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tracey holden wrote 09/10/2015 12:04 PM Re: Halties [Re: Candi Campbell ] #399190 - 09/10/2015 12:04 PM
tracey holden Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2010 Posts: 1442 Loc: UK Offline	Quote: Candi Campbell  Quote: Christina Stockinger Thanks, Tracey, I think I will try this, but first inform myself exactly. Fortunately there are enough possibilities at LB. Additional question: (no need to answer if you lack the time) Just curiosity: What breeds are the dogs on your lovely foto? The ones in front are Pits, ne? The white one with the red colar seems to be a Pit to, or is he some mix? The black and white speckled one is what? What beautiful dogs! Let's see if I remember her dogs correctly The matching pair in front are Boerboels (is that the right spelling) and the other 2 are English Pointers (???) Candi is spot on there! Thank you Christina The black and white is my ancient old male called Hootie, he was a stunner as a pup, but like me, is getting grey now, and his eyes are getting milky, poor old boy is slowing up now, but he is the sweetest temperament. The one in the red collar, Bon, is also a pointer, but has always been a bit butch, bless her! The Boerboels are South African mastiffs.
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Bob Scott wrote 09/10/2015 11:10 PM Re: Halties [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #399196 - 09/10/2015 11:10 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Both collars are effective if used correctly but if I felt the need to do corrections on a dog I would use the pinch over the "traditional" choke collar any day. It evenly spreads the pressure out around the dog's neck while the "choker" puts all the force on opposite from the leash and that's often directly on the dogs throat. Of course either will be MUCH more effective and less likely to need high levels of correction with a good foundation of marker training. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 09/11/2015 06:29 AM Re: Halties [Re: tracey holden ] #399204 - 09/11/2015 06:29 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Oh God, I would have sworn the ones in the front are Pits. Probably because they have that big smile like a happy Pit. I will look up the races in the Internet. It really interests me. Thanks! “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Candi Campbell wrote 09/11/2015 12:07 PM Re: Halties [Re: Bob Scott ] #399206 - 09/11/2015 12:07 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2013 Posts: 1571 Loc: Offline	Quote: Bob Scott Both collars are effective if used correctly but if I felt the need to do corrections on a dog I would use the pinch over the "traditional" choke collar any day. It evenly spreads the pressure out around the dog's neck... ...while the "choker" puts all the force on opposite from the leash and that's often directly on the dogs throat. Of course either will be MUCH more effective and less likely to need high levels of correction with a good foundation of marker training. With my female Dobie (who's more physically sensitive due to having a super-short & fine single-coat) just FEELING the little "teeth" of the prong collar all the way around her neck WITHOUT any corrections at all, puts her into "Heels like Velcro" mode, whereas otherwise her default mode would be "Pulls like a Tractor" But since my male is more of a natural heeler anyway, the reason I walk him on a Prong is for the strength of "power steering" if he does need any Leash Correction when a CAT darts across our path (he has a thicker double coat with little "jowls" high on his throat) -- And of course, both wear back-up Dominant Dog collars with their Prongs...
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