If the retrieve is taught with markers then I would mark and toss the ball again.
This takes into consideration that the ball is a very high reward for the retrieve.
Once the retrieve and out are consistent then I would use the ball as a reward for retrieving and outing anything you may toss for the dog.
My dogs retrieves are reward with a Kong or a tug based on their preference.
Michael, I understand the pressing on the dog (swaddling)as in the Temple Grandin thoughts but there are some dogs out there that can actually resent this form of restriction.
This was also done in the Flinks "into my arms" method and it has been shown that it can be intimidating to some dogs and a challenge to some others.
IF the dog enjoys this close contact I'll say give it a try.
Training the out with markers should avoid any stress when the dog gets to close.
If the dog is a strange dog I would be careful but i believe this is her dog and she already has a relationship with it so there should be no issues. I don't know about Temple Grandin's thoughts but this thought of swaddling came from me after years of training dogs and experience not by someone's book or video. Depending on the particular dog in question you must read their level of comfortability and touch accordingly.
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I used "into my arms" with my dog in protection because she works in defense. I wanted her to feel comfortable holding the sleeve, rather than immediately going back into defense after she was outed. One of the drawbacks to it was that my dog can be overly sensitive to my presence when she guards, and that technique does not focus on having the dog work independently. The TD who mentored me never does this.
I think Bob was trying to point out that many of things we try in training have already been tried by other trainers, possibly in a slightly different method. Some believe that the method they use is best and will work consistently with similar dogs. Others believe that all dogs are different, and what works for one may not always work for others. I believe in training the dog in front of you, but that only works for handlers who have the experience to recognize what is working and what is not, and have enough tools in their toolbox to transition quickly and comfortably.
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Interesting Michael. What exactly is "pressing" on a dog? Do you mean holding?
At this point, I just tell her to "out" mark and throw it again very quickly. When I'm sure she knows out is not the end, I will begin to lengthen the time and build more drive.
We usually end by letting her run back to the car with the ball.
I also have built some more drive by commanding a platz or sitz and throwing the ball before releasing her to get it.
The outs need to be quicker, but they are improving.
My Jack russell loves to play fetch. But she also love to play keep away and not let me get the ball wanting me to chase her for it. If I just ignore her, she will put it on me and stare.
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Re: 2 ball to 1 ball???
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