The full mouth bite can be natural also.

Schutzhund/IPO is about the ony dog sport that looks for the full mouth bite.

In many of the other bite sports the helper/decoy is moving quickly and the dog getting a grip is what's required. Not necessarily the full mouth grip.

Even the LEO K9s aren't required to do it. Just grab the bad guy.

Not that simple of course.

Are you familiar with marker training? It can go a long way to re training this dog without conflict.

You've only had him for 2 1/2 wks.

I would spend lots of time with this dog just creating a bond.

Spend extra time working your husband into the picture in order to avoid a possibly serious issue.

Wow, Bob, great encouragement and advices! I`m almost sure, Laura will succeed to cope with all this and her dog will have a great chance.

I'm curious....
You say you have had your share of aggressive dog, which speaks to some level of expertise you claim to have....that bring said, I find it odd that you are here asking what to do next after doing what is suggested on the aggressive dog DVD. That does not sound like the voice if experience to me. Sounds more like you may be in over you head. If this is the case, you could be playing with fire.

I don't know Bob, the K9 guys I know want their dogs to ideally have a nice full bite if possible. They do have some that have less but ultimately they need a dog that will heavily engage no matter what & take down & hold the bad guy.

I don`t no much about such situations but it is clear to me that Laura runs a risk. How can we judge this from far? We don`t know the background of this poor dog and his aggression issues are certainly not his fault. I guess thatt Laura has assumed the task to re-train this dog and build a strong bond over time out of a very good heart.
She only said that she had some experience with aggressive dogs, she didn`t claim to be an expert. I always respected your opinions very much, Anne, and you`ve helped me already many times with them.
I though disagree with why you are finding it odd, that Laura seeks advices. This only shows, that she honestly wants to find a good way to help this animal, who was in a miserable situation, probably throughout his life.
So why shouldn`t she come to the Webboard and ask for help? She only tries to find support on how to rehabilitate a pitifully creature. Apart from this she already seems to have had a good success with creating a bond with the dog. Why shouldn`t she go on, she is well aware that a rehabiltation will not happen within a few weeks and that she will have to work with this dog in a very responsible way, which I think, she does.

 Quote: Laura Dobson

I have been training dogs for about 10 years now and have dealt with my share of aggressive dogs. My question is, where do I go after the 30 days of the Dominate dog DVD exercises. I do however have all the training tools and a library of Leerburg DVDs. Any advice would be appreciated.

Christine,
someonee who states the above speaks of experience....to ask what you do after 30days doing the DVD exercises.speaks of novice in dog aggression experience.

If I remember ((it has been 12-13 years since I saw it)) The DVD is basically for the average Joe dealing with a dog that has some aggression issues & is testing the boundries. It is a pretty safe explanation of What to do with your average dog with aggression. I don't believe it goes into what to do with a dog with serious handler aggression...like what to do when your dog just comes at you or If it comes up the line at you. Dealing with that type of aggression is not for your average owner & frankly it is just dangerous to you & others around you.

Dealing with 75-80 lbs of teeth coming at you, especially one that has already bitten someone is not funny or a game or something that you learn on a DVD. I will even bet that the bite at the shelter was not that dogs first bite.

Laura,

I don't know if I agree with your assessment of this dog. No hard feelings here.... I am curious....

Does he knows any commands? In German? English? Other languages? Does he recognize a sleeve? What about heel work? Any kinds of training you have noticed about the dog? I don't think it is a fair assumption to say dog knows bite training by having a full mouth bite on the volunteer. Any dogs will bite if they believe their lives are in danger. Maybe this dog has a strong temperament that just need a strong rule and structured placed in his life.

 Quote: Bob Scott

Are you familiar with marker training? It can go a long way to re training this dog without conflict.

Love marker training!

Two cents...

I took in a rescue from a K9 training program. The GSD bit the Sheriff who was supposed to be the handler. The dog was two days from the needle.

It was a challenge. He is a challenge. He managed to give me a bite or two.

He was and is well trained. He has his idiosyncrasies, as do I.

He is my shadow. And he is always managed. And adopting him and seeing him through his acclimation to the house rules, and interactions, I would not change anything.

He could have been put down. But he wasn't, and I'm glad he wasn't.

He gets along with the other two GSDs. He is, as are they, my companion. I don't regret a moment of the decision to adopt him.

You get the dog you need, not the dog you want. Just my opinion.

I hope you are able to stay the course.

Two cents.

Anne, the cops I've talked with wouldn't disagree with you on their wanting a strong take down but even a good frontal bite with the canine teeth can do the same thing.

I will agree that a full bit would possibly have more chance of connecting with more then just clothes.

 Quote: Lindsay Janes

Laura,

I don't know if I agree with your assessment of this dog. No hard feelings here.... I am curious....

Does he knows any commands? In German? English? Other languages? Does he recognize a sleeve? What about heel work? Any kinds of training you have noticed about the dog? I don't think it is a fair assumption to say dog knows bite training by having a full mouth bite on the volunteer. Any dogs will bite if they believe their lives are in danger. Maybe this dog has a strong temperament that just need a strong rule and structured placed in his life.

My reason for suggesting this dog be tested by someone qualified.