Re: Cairn Terrier fends off COYOTE ATTACK...
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Any animal could probably be "trained" to perform certain behaviors but they have to thousands of years being wild and that doesn't change with training.
Dogs and man have existed together for possibly 30,000 yrs and domestication didn't happen over night.
Their natural fight or flight genetics of the wild canine are to close to the surface to trust them like we do most dogs.
It has happened but the results have often been deadly in some instances.
Just not worth it to keep one as a pet and train it as such.
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Re: Cairn Terrier fends off COYOTE ATTACK...
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Yes, that sounds very logical. The humans also had the possibility to breed, to select the most suitable ones for rheir particular purpose and this over generations and genereations. Nonetheless, I'll give it a try with a coyote puppy. ![:smirk: smiley for :smirk:](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/smirk.gif) (No worries, no way to get one here).
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Re: Cairn Terrier fends off COYOTE ATTACK...
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Here's my "take" after watching this VIDEO a few more times:
IMHO, that coyote was NOT hunting / stalking "Toto" the Cairn Terrier, and Neither was it Guarding a den of pups -- Just looks like "reactive defense" aggression to me ... GOOD thing the Owner came out & advanced on this Coyote when she did, because 2 against 1 proved to be one too many for Wiley to manage.
We have a local Coyote Pack that dens in the woods up behind my house, so the dogs and I see & hear them all he time -- They come down to our neighborhood individually in search of food & water left outside for pets and feral cats by clueless owners ... Such handouts also attract opossums, Raccoons and SKUNKS
A couple years ago we had a fully mature Mountain Lion cruising through yards on my block in the wee hours -- NO agency, local or state, wanted to be bothered with that Cougar ... But I finally succeeded in getting the County Park Rangers to come out, dart the Puma, and transport it in a Zoo Cage trailer back into the Santa Cruz Mountains
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Re: Cairn Terrier fends off COYOTE ATTACK...
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I see what they even talk about in the article. The coyote rushing the dog with ears up and tail flying.
That's not defensive. He was looking to eat that dog.
I've personally seen coyote hunting with dogs and they are totally defensive in body posture at those times.
I'm in a highly populated subdivision yet we have had coyotes killing dogs a lot larger then the Carin.
I'm about 2 miles from a Missouri Conservation area that runs along the Missouri river and coyotes are pretty common there.
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Re: Cairn Terrier fends off COYOTE ATTACK...
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God bless you all. I was toooooooo naiv before I read your messages and then some articles. I found them so sweet! ![:grin: smiley for :grin:](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif) Now I'd be scared to death.
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Re: Cairn Terrier fends off COYOTE ATTACK...
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Candy, how about the skunks you mentioned. Are they aggressive to humans, dogs, other animals?
I only knew they could be a danger, because they can transmit rabies and because their poop can contain lots of harmful bacterias. I knew also that they have a gland with which they can splash nasty stinky odors. But this equipment would "only" result in a creepy harrassment..
And raccoons? I've read they are also rabies carriers and their excrements can infect other animals and humans with different illnesses. They can enter in conflict with cats, even kill them? The authors describe cases of dogs being attacked and killed. Is all this true?
And agressivity towards humans? Do they not rather flee if they see one? Unless a person tries to make friends with them, feeds them etc.?
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Re: Cairn Terrier fends off COYOTE ATTACK...
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#405339 - 12/21/2017 09:50 AM |
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I see what they even talk about in the article. The coyote rushing the dog with ears up and tail flying.
That's not defensive. He was looking to eat that dog.
I've personally seen coyote hunting with dogs and they are totally defensive in body posture at those times.
I'm in a highly populated subdivision yet we have had coyotes killing dogs a lot larger then the Carin.
I'm about 2 miles from a Missouri Conservation area that runs along the Missouri river and coyotes are pretty common there.
Bob, you should see my Dobies in "reactive defense" mode, LOL -- Very Scary ... Even the bluff of fear-aggro can look Convincingly Persuasive, though of course Mr. Coyote was NOT bluffing!
But here's what I keep on seeing in that VIDEO:
"Wiley" is passing through the Cairn's yard just when "Toto" happens to come outside & they suddenly stumble upon each other at extremely CLOSE range within both of their Fight or Flight trigger parameters -- "Toto" reflexively challenges "Wiley" who then Reacts with aggression in Self-Defense ... "Toto" did not back down (good terrier) so "Wiley" would have killed him out of self-protection, if the owner hadn't advanced when she did.
BUT notice how FAST this coyote Broke off the Attack and FLED the AREA despite being Physically Engaged with the dog, while that (little lady) owner was still quite some distance away -- IMHO, no wild canid who had attacked in Prey Dive with the premeditated intent to hunt-kill-eat would ever have relinquished its quarry due to such a relatively Minor Threat from that far off ... Just my personal take on the clip, however, that small woman would have been seriously injured if "Wiley" had been TRULY intent on making an actual meal out of "Toto" (IMHO).
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God bless you all. I was toooooooo naiv before I read your messages and then some articles. I found them so sweet! ![:grin: smiley for :grin:](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif) Now I'd be scared to death.
There's no need to be scared to death of a coyote, Christina, unless you corner one that can't escape OR pose a threat to its Den of Pups -- I encounter them in very close proximity ALL the TIME while walking before dawn or after dusk, both With & Without my dogs ... These urban ones are Quite Bold, but they do NOT menace me, always choosing to Avoid Confrontation when I get too close for their comfort However, if I had a little TOY breed out for a walk, I would 100% carry my Stun-Bat with me to ward off ANY four-legged marauder (wild OR domestic) !!!
Also, there has not been a case of Rabies in San Francisco or on the Peninsula in over 75 YEARS so there's No Danger of a "mad" coyote attacking Unprovoked due to that deadly disease which deranges their good sense.
http://www.projectcoyote.org/remembering-hope-ryden/
Christina, you would LOVE the book, "God's Dog", by the late Hope Ryden -- I highly recommend reading it ... Wild canids should always be treated with a large measure of Healthy Respect for their ability to injure you & your pets, but "hate, terror & the desire to eradicate" them should be Opposed at every Opportunity.
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Re: Cairn Terrier fends off COYOTE ATTACK...
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Candy, how about the skunks you mentioned. Are they aggressive to humans, dogs, other animals?
I only knew they could be a danger, because they can transmit rabies and because their poop can contain lots of harmful bacterias. I knew also that they have a gland with which they can splash nasty stinky odors. But this equipment would "only" result in a creepy harrassment..
And raccoons? I've read they are also rabies carriers and their excrements can infect other animals and humans with different illnesses. They can enter in conflict with cats, even kill them? The authors describe cases of dogs being attacked and killed. Is all this true?
And agressivity towards humans? Do they not rather flee if they see one? Unless a person tries to make friends with them, feeds them etc.?
Skunks are Harmless, but STINKY ![:( smiley for :(](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/frown.gif) Raccoon are Pests around the HOUSE -- My Akita ("Shock & Awe" Shaka) used to KILL them whenever one would Invade our Home ... Not happy occasions for me, but she was a very HUMANE killer: one death pounce behind it from above --> one death choke-hold around the neck to render it unconscious --> one death bite completely through the skull to end its life ![:( smiley for :(](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/frown.gif) Yes, a BIG angry 'coon can definitely kill a cat & even a small dog if provoked, so I sure wouldn't want to surprise one in the house on my way to the bathroom with the lights off at night !!!
I don't honestly know if my Dobermans would actually Engage a Raccoon with any real Effectiveness -- So far, all they've had to do was make a RACKET from inside their crates LOUD enough to Wake the Dead in order to dissuade "Bandit & Rocky" to vacate the premises
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Re: Cairn Terrier fends off COYOTE ATTACK...
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Once I was able to get a coyote to drop a cat. I was at least 50 feet away, maybe farther, but like the woman in the video, I was pissed and running. A lone coyote will back down usually, around the house they know territory...they are less bold right around the home. They understand "mine", and they don't want to get hurt. I suppose urban coyotes are more bold.
In the woods, it all feels different. I feel I'm in " their" territory in the woods.
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