Bob Scott wrote 03/10/2018 10:38 PM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Ethan Keene ] #405843 - 03/10/2018 10:38 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	So very hard to say. If they come to you first its "sounds" good. At this point I don't know how much of a difference it would make but as long as your getting some results your still good. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 03/11/2018 05:42 AM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Ethan Keene ] #405845 - 03/11/2018 05:42 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Always results! Sometimes good ones, like walking beside me calmly, following comands like sit pretty, dancing, downstays ... Sometimes awful ones: jumpintg at me (though actually forbidden! ) , running to and fro ... etc. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Kelly wrote 03/11/2018 08:28 AM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Ethan Keene ] #405846 - 03/11/2018 08:28 AM
Kelly Moderator Reg: 06-03-2005 Posts: 1495 Loc: Offline	If you have more than 1 dog, Bob is not saying they can't be together ... it just makes bonding with you more difficult in the beginning. My dogs have always run together once the bond was established with me and I have never had any problems with them ignoring me. Puppies tend to gravitate to another dog - but as long as you limit their interactions in the beginning the bond with the human should be fine. The dog or pup needs to look to you as everything that is wonderful in its world. That is why it's so hard to raise 2 pups together - the time commitment that you have to give each one - with establishing the bond and training - just makes it so hard to do. People have done it and the dogs are fine, but I can't help but wonder how great each dog could have been if it had been raised without the other. Just my opinions, of course...
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Bob Scott wrote 03/11/2018 10:39 PM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Ethan Keene ] #405847 - 03/11/2018 10:39 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Well put Kelly! My dogs have always ran together 24/7. It's the early puppy months that I limit that time together till that bond is created. The ONLY dog I've ever limited adult time was my JRT. It wasn't because of the breed it was because he was nucking futs as a dog. I selected him because I had hunted with all four grand parents and both parents. All but his mom were solid as a rock, temperamentally sound earth working dogs. I made the choice and I got a fantastic little earth dog.....that was a screw ball. I made a choice knowing his mom was like that and simply made a mistake. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 03/12/2018 06:29 AM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Ethan Keene ] #405849 - 03/12/2018 06:29 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Thanks to you both, Bob and Kelly. I understond what Bob means with raising two puppies together, that this might make bonding to the owner more difficult. Sounds very logical. Only thing: I can't change it any more; Bob, you should have given me this advice, BERORE I bought my puppies! Well, I forgive you, because you didn't know me then. I found LB much later. When I acquired them I thought it would be better to take two. I was convinced that one alone would be awfully homesick without their siblings. I also feared the one alone would bond too strongly with me and might react very jealous when confronted with a second one later on. Mindset of a beginner! Frankly, there was another reason: I found them so sweet and couldn't resist to take two. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Carolyn Pike Roman wrote 03/12/2018 07:23 AM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Ethan Keene ] #405851 - 03/12/2018 07:23 AM
Carolyn Pike Roman Webboard User Reg: 03-20-2007 Posts: 559 Loc: San Antonio, TX Offline	Hi Ethan, I apologize in advance because this is a little gloomy, but if you get two puppies at once, there's a chance that many years down the road they will pass away around the same time. I know, no way to tell the future, but having lost both of my "first dogs" (that I adopted as a pair and were about the same age) within a year and a half of each other, that part really, really stinks. In my opinion, definitely space them out by two or three years... besides, puppies are nuts and need lots of attention plus all of the reasons in other posts. Best of luck-
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Tracy Collins wrote 03/12/2018 01:19 PM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Ethan Keene ] #405852 - 03/12/2018 01:19 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	There's also a big difference between 2 dogs and 3. 3 dogs is a pack, and requires an owner who understands how to live harmoniously with a pack of dogs. (In my experience, adding dogs beyond the third was much less of a lift than the jump from 2 to 3.) I'm at 6 now and feel like nothing is much different once the "pack of 3" dynamics were nailed down. I'd be interested if other multi-dog households would agree. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Bob Scott wrote 03/12/2018 10:40 PM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #405855 - 03/12/2018 10:40 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Quote: Christina Stockinger Thanks to you both, Bob and Kelly. I understond what Bob means with raising two puppies together, that this might make bonding to the owner more difficult. Sounds very logical. Only thing: I can't change it any more; Bob, you should have given me this advice, BERORE I bought my puppies! Well, I forgive you, because you didn't know me then. I found LB much later. When I acquired them I thought it would be better to take two. I was convinced that one alone would be awfully homesick without their siblings. I also feared the one alone would bond too strongly with me and might react very jealous when confronted with a second one later on. Mindset of a beginner! Frankly, there was another reason: I found them so sweet and couldn't resist to take two. Not always easy but a puppy or dog should be chosen with the brain and not the heart. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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tracey holden wrote 03/13/2018 02:24 AM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Tracy Collins ] #405856 - 03/13/2018 02:24 AM
tracey holden Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2010 Posts: 1442 Loc: UK Offline	Really nice to see you, Tracy, I always enjoyed reading your advice and opinions
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Christina Stockinger wrote 03/13/2018 05:19 AM Re: Puppy(ies)? [Re: Ethan Keene ] #405857 - 03/13/2018 05:19 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	"Not always easy but a puppy or dog should be chosen with the brain and not the heart. smiley for " You're so right, Bob! At least I used my brain partly. I went to look at the puppies a second time together with a Vet, who examened them. I did this because from this litter of eleven 6 had already died. Vet reproached the breeder because he had given to the mother the cheapest and not enough food. The living 5 were healthy. But again I must give you right about chosing with the brain.I must confess that If they had been ill or malnourished I would have taken them anyway, just to get them away from this breeder. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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