Not more than 4 times? Auweis! My dogs (except the disabled ione) have a good sit-,stand-, downstay. But outside our yard I would not dare to try to make them wait without leash.

They know the command "stop", but if they really stop depends on the level of distraction, which can change between 1 and 10 or more on a walk. With the longline I've only trained within the yard. The sides of our ways here are mostly full of brushwood, the leash entangles iand I always have to free them, which makes them very impatient.

Ransom rewards they always get if they have earned it.

If the results of a command 'depend on the level of distraction" then it's wise to never trust the dog off lead outside the yard.

My dogs have always been trained to not go in the street without me.

One of my dogs that my daughters grew up with was a GSD x Dane and he took it on himself to block the kids from the street.

All instinct on his part but he figured what's good for him worked for the kids also.

A Kerry Blue I also had when the girls were little also wouldn't go in the street, driveway or the next door neighbors yard when in the front yard.

He was sent to get the news paper for us every morning but if it landed in the driveway he would sit in the grass and whine at the paper until one of us would go out and walk into the drive way with him.

Pretty much a pia but I never wanted him to go in the drive way on his own.

Mike said
"When I'm in the woods, and the dogs are running, I often get behind a tree, and it is interesting to see the dogs come back full tilt when they lose sight of me. But I work on recall and expect the dogs to respond to me. Lots of rewards and praise but the occasional correction if warranted."

I did the exact same thing with my hunting terriers. My hunting partners would freak out when my terriers would regularly come running past me just to check where I was at.

They didn't stop if I didn't call them but they always kept in touch and kept their area of hunting within a a reasonable distance.

In the heavy woods we hunted that was a huge plus.

I've spent many lost hours looking for other owners' terriers who could give a crap about where their owners were.

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If the results of a command 'depend on the level of distraction" then it's wise to never trust the dog off lead outside the yard. ....

Gigantic agreement on this!

(P.S. Leerburg has an excellent choice of long lines, by the way.
http://leerburg.com/longlines.htm )

Impossible for us to be completely in charge of those distractions simply because life happens.

Funny dogs, Bob, who teach the kids not to go in the street!
Mine sit automatically, before crossing a street, they wait until I've given the permission. But pn-leash. Without I very much doubt it under certain circumstances;
Yes, life happens, how true; (I heard that expression already in a similar but rude way!)

I absolutely agree on what Connie quoted. Thanks for the link, but I have already a longline from LB.

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Mike said
"When I'm in the woods, and the dogs are running, I often get behind a tree, and it is interesting to see the dogs come back full tilt when they lose sight of me. But I work on recall and expect the dogs to respond to me. Lots of rewards and praise but the occasional correction if warranted."

I did the exact same thing with my hunting terriers. My hunting partners would freak out when my terriers would regularly come running past me just to check where I was at.

They didn't stop if I didn't call them but they always kept in touch and kept their area of hunting within a a reasonable distance.

In the heavy woods we hunted that was a huge plus.

I've spent many lost hours looking for other owners' terriers who could give a crap about where their owners were.

I grew up with big "old fashioned" Standard Dachshunds as a kid -- They were very well trained & obedient ... Back in the mid-'50s there was a LOT LESS vehicle traffic in suburban residential neighborhoods (folks only had ONE car per family, which the dad drove to & from work early each morning & late every afternoon) so we typically walked our dogs without a leash in those "pre-historic" days...

Anyway, I would often have my dogs Stay while out with them, then I would run hide somewhere out of their sight but within ear-shot -- Next I'd yell COME while peeking at them from my "blind", and being Scent Hounds, they would follow my trail with their NOSES to the GROUND and track me straight to my various different hiding places without fail

Candi said

Anyway, I would often have my dogs Stay while out with them, then I would run hide somewhere out of their sight but within ear-shot -- Next I'd yell COME while peeking at them from my "blind", and being Scent Hounds, they would follow my trail with their NOSES to the GROUND and track me straight to my various different hiding places without fail smiley for


Somewhat how we started our young SAR pups/dogs.

Someone would hold the dog while the handler would tease the pup with it's Kong.

Initially the handler would go a short distance, still in sight of the dog and lay down.

The dog would be excited when it's handler took off with it's toy and would then race to the handler.

It wouldn't be long before the handler would run into the woods and hide a few ft inside the tree line.

When the pup was turned loose it would immediately start using it's nose when it hit the tree line.

My then 12-13 week old Thunder was finding me in the woods after I had a 10 min head start and I would be hiding 100 or more feet into the woods.

I chose him for SAR work and he was a natural.

I'm doing this type of hude and seek, but only in our yard. Tehy adore this game. But of course in the yard the possibilities are limited. Outside we have just the rain forrest with all the poisenous creatures, puh!, and there are rarely .prepared ways for walking. I'd have to hit a pawn with the ax.

Other thing: I know they'd find me even if hidden somewhere,, but the'd make me wait rurhlessly.if something else were more fascinationg. Asnake they don't see every day, monkeys too and certain birds drive them crazy. I know it is my fault, but I can't enter in competition with such biests.

The one big difference between a dog chosen for search work and the average pet is focus.

That can't always be taught if the genetics aren't there but playing search games with any dog is still fun and great for both handle and dog.