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#37184 - 06/23/2002 11:11 AM |
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German Sheps and Mals reign supreme here, but there are a few dogs of other breeds. Don't quote me on specifics, because I honestly couldn't tell you.
German Sheps, Longhaired Sheps, and Mals seem to be the most popular, with German Sheps and Mals (as I've stated) vastly out-numbering the rest.
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#37185 - 06/23/2002 02:31 PM |
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They have all the Belgium breeds with the exception of the Lakinios. I have seen some dogs that were mixed with the mal and lakinios. I have also seen some dogs that were mixed with Beaucron I think. The only breeds that can be used in the military are Dutch Shepherd, German Shep, and Mal. If its a cadnarly then they call it a mal. Cadnarly means can hardly tell. The military really starting to go to the mal though from what I have seen. Hope this answers your question.
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#37186 - 06/16/2003 03:15 PM |
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I'm currently an active duty "MA" in the US Navy staitioned in Crete, Greece. I'll be attending K9 school this Janurary. The dogs that I've seen and worked with include, Black Labs and Jack Russels. I'm fairly "fresh" to dog handling, but as far as I seen there are numerous other breeds the military uses besides those?
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#37187 - 06/17/2003 02:30 PM |
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I am a trainer here at the dog school, As far as Taint goes, he is not about to be put down. He is doing well at the academy. Jakubin has a new handler on him. I spent many days working with that stupid dog and as he got close to leaving he wouldn't even allow me in the kennel....stupid dog...LOL
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#37188 - 06/17/2003 03:44 PM |
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Hey Don,
Since you're instructing at the DoD school answer me a question. When is the school going to start teaching officer safety, deployment tactics and strategies?
Over the last few years I've had a quite a bit of contact with USAF and Army dog handlers. They really need help in this area. It is obvious that the bridge between dog training and deployment skills just isn't there.
Our airmen and soldiers should get an education that includes these critical skills and they are not.
This isn't meant to be some kind of knock on DoD, but it is an educated observation and one brought up in support of our troops.
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#37189 - 06/17/2003 05:37 PM |
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Kevin,
I can't officially speak for the school so let me give you what I think.....
Since we only have the students a limited time, in reality not enough time, we concentrate soley on the basic fundamentals of how to work the dog. Once they arrive at their duty stations thats where the majority of training takes place....or should take place....Thats where they should learn how to properly employ their dogs in different situations, we don't teach that here in the school. They learn the basics......BASICS....In a dream world we would have the students longer and be able to teach them some of these things, another thing though is the way the air force employs their dogs is different then the army, which is different then the navy...etc....so to try and teach all 4 one way wouldn't work.....Just my opinion...
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#37190 - 06/18/2003 07:52 AM |
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Once upon a time, in a land far far away, I too was an instructor at the DOD Dog School. Of course back then, the course was 12 weeks long. There was an effort, then, to combine dog training, handling and officer safety into the equation. As time progressed and bean counters developed course strategy, rather than the K9 professionals, more and more was removed from the course. As the role of the dog evolved in the US Military, the dog school it's self was given less time to prepare an officer for actual law enforcement utilization with the dog. I see the trend continues. Such a shame. I remember when the Washington Metro PD first trained us as instructors, we were very excited about the eventual product, both handler and dog that would be trained and deployed.
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#37191 - 06/18/2003 10:55 AM |
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Hi Phil
Just a question, maybe you did mention it, but how long is your course, in weeks
To Kevin – do you mean to imply with your question, that there is no standard or tactical training done here – Why is this, or is it not in the dogs job discription?
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#37192 - 06/18/2003 12:07 PM |
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the course is 12 weeks long...
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#37193 - 06/19/2003 02:27 AM |
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Hi Don
Thanks, in my humble opinion one can put together a decent dog in 12 weeks, and cover all the criteria for a patrol service dog as per police requirements, and go far beyond basics in just 12 weeks, we do it in 13 if the course is longer the dogs tend to catch a dip, and the handlers need to go and explore, so I personally don’t see any thing wrong with this time frame it’s standard as far as I am concerned, and there is ample time to do tactical foundation work, tracking, squaring, agility, distance control, protection and man work in this period.
I disagree with the fact that only Basic work can be done, dogs learn fast; if that is the case then some one is not doing his job.
The norm is to do follow up training, with in three months here. Or are we on the same page.
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