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#44204 - 08/26/2002 06:53 AM |
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I'm not talking about any particular breeder here, o.k.?
Most people can't handle a true working Dobermann. Using working Dobermanns on show lines improves their character tremendously. They make wonderful pets that can be used in sport.
Those dogs probably won't compete against true working Dobermanns, but at least these breeders are reducing the amount of fear biters around.
Just MHO.
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Re: breeding american show dog with working dog
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#44205 - 08/26/2002 07:26 AM |
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Originally posted by Pedro:
I'm not talking about any particular breeder here, o.k.?
Most people can't handle a true working Dobermann. Using working Dobermanns on show lines improves their character tremendously. They make wonderful pets that can be used in sport.
Those dogs probably won't compete against true working Dobermanns, but at least these breeders are reducing the amount of fear biters around.
Just MHO.
Pedro. While you are correct to say that people may not be suited for a true dobermann, maybe they should look at getting a goldfish instead?
And your last statement about reducing the fear biters around couldn't be further from the truth. The people who are doing these crosses are *usually* more concerend with looks than anything and will breed two dogs that have no business being bred to begin with. They try to add heat to their show dog, but unfortunately, usually they get all the wrong heat for any type of GOOD sport and family work...
JMO
Either the prospective buyer needs to get the right breed or he needs to be honest and go get a Lab, don't go breeding Black & Rust pointy eared labradors with unusually high defense drive and place them in show homes.... :rolleyes:
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#44206 - 08/26/2002 06:29 PM |
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#44207 - 08/26/2002 08:58 PM |
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Originally posted by VanCamp:
It is hard enough to breed good working dogs from pure working stock, why water down the lines with some weak dogs that lack any workng temperament.
I guess you can give them some credit, but not much. What is their goal- to jazz up their crap pet/show dogs, or water down the abilities of a good working line? Either way, they're messing up IMNSHO. No truer words were ever spoken IMO. What the hell IS their goal?
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#44208 - 08/26/2002 10:41 PM |
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I thought the goal would be obvious......
To breed a dog that looks like it is supposed to and does what it is supposed to.
The fact that a dog is successful in the conformation ring doesn't automaticaly exclude the ability to work.
The attitude that screwed up breeds in the first place was that the working dogs and show dogs should be seperate. It created the A.S.S. and destroyed the working ability in most Dobe's, Boxer's, and a bunch of others. Reverse engenering back to the state were the dogs can work and show will be tough, but it has been done in other breeds.
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#44209 - 08/26/2002 11:12 PM |
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Originally posted by Richard Cannon:
I thought the goal would be obvious......
To breed a dog that looks like it is supposed to and does what it is supposed to.
The fact that a dog is successful in the conformation ring doesn't automaticaly exclude the ability to work.
The attitude that screwed up breeds in the first place was that the working dogs and show dogs should be seperate. It created the A.S.S. and destroyed the working ability in most Dobe's, Boxer's, and a bunch of others. Reverse engenering back to the state were the dogs can work and show will be tough, but it has been done in other breeds. Ok, on that Richard, have you looked at the show dobes lately? I don't even mean temperment, but is that how you think they really SHOULD look? Personally, I am not crazy about the fact that the winning dogs are oversized, with crazy toplines, and chiseled heads that resemble sighthounds more than a working breed. Don't even get me into the heath problems associated with these show dogs.
I am not saying that working dogs do not have health problems, or structural problems, but in working a dog you are more likely to see a true structural "working" flaw than anyone could see while the dog is being paraded around a ring and stacked for the judge.
The argument of "form follows function" is posted on 90% of all show breeders pages, yet most all do not test their function, and if you asked you would get the standard, "oh, I know Killer would protect me"
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#44210 - 08/26/2002 11:38 PM |
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I agree with Richard on this topic. There are breed clubs that have been able to maintain the working ability and conformation of their dogs. Portugese water dogs are a good example of this. Also, all pure bred dog breeds have health problems, whether from show or working lines.
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#44211 - 08/27/2002 12:23 AM |
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Richard,
You seem on top of most topics, but I don't think you frequent dobe circles. Both my dobes parents are show champions and can work. Alot of good dogs can work and our shown.
Heck as far as looks, those crazy show people are breeding black and rust great danes. A lady at my sch club has this male thats 29 inches tall, and 112 pounds!
These people are not maintaining the working ability of dobermans by mixing them with crappy american show dogs.
Robert
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#44212 - 08/27/2002 12:38 AM |
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The American show Dobes are bred to be more "elegant" looking. I think thats the word they are using now. :rolleyes:
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#44213 - 08/27/2002 05:26 AM |
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Maybe Deanna is right.
If those American Show Dobermanns are so crappy, they shouldn't be bred in the first place.
As far as breeding only true working Dobermanns. That could be true in Wonderland, but how're you gonna stop the guy who has a show female from breeding her? I think it's better that he breeds to a working male.
The true fancier won't buy those dogs, but maybe they are fine for someone to get started in the breed.
JMO.
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