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#45107 - 01/13/2003 08:28 PM |
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Originally posted by Brad Gargis:
Whether many like to admit it or not, preference with performance is not the only factor, . I myself like the Shepherd breeds, but I like these dogs too.
Out of all the bulldog like breeds, I like these the best, why? Appearance, lol, I hate to admit it. Last time I checked, Rottweilers were not "bulldog-like" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
My mom raised Rotts years ago and I can honestly say I never ever thought of them in the same category as any of the bull type breeds. (other than they all snore.......) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> lol
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#45108 - 01/13/2003 08:32 PM |
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They are more of a "mastiff-type" breed.
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#45109 - 01/13/2003 08:48 PM |
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ok ok, whatever <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . . . the mastiff like breeds. Personally though, in my strange world I lump them into one group. (don't try that at home boys and girls)
Out of all the big jawed, massive head dogs, I like them the best with their appearance.
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#45110 - 01/14/2003 06:17 AM |
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Mick, there maybe some Rotts in the Victorian Police Dept but as I am sure you are aware the quality of police dogs in Australian Police Depts is so poor it is laughable. Rotts and GSD's. The Victorian Police have a breeding program that is based on Australian Show German Shepherds (the same temperment as American Bloodine GSD). When the police here say "Seige Dog" they mean that he's the dog that actually runs toward the bad guy's.
I shouldn't say all police dogs because the Queensland Police have actually taken some good steps and there some good dogs there. They have West German Working lines on the streets there including a Yoshey son & Gento grandson.
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#45111 - 01/14/2003 07:19 AM |
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Horses for courses. The Rottie is sort of the "quarter horse" of working dogs. He is VERY quick, as you will find out if you ever try and work one in really good condition. His structure is such that he has power and leverage that most other breeds do not, even at the same working weight/size. He is not a distance runner, even in the best of condition, and while a good one will try, it is again his structure that will not allow him to do what a Mal or GSD in equally good condition is capable of.
His size, appearence and reputation make him a good "visual" deterrant, and a good one can back it up if he needs to. He is an excellent personal dog and companion for a wide range of situations, but he cannot be what he is not.
Not "good" nor "bad", just how it is.
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#45112 - 01/14/2003 09:53 AM |
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The Rottweiler is bred mainly for show now days. There was one Rottie team at the Nationals, Austins Ecks, with a score of 264. Not a bad score at that level. But he is a medium sized Rottweiler that would look small in a show ring.
So he will not get many breedings if any, because most people that want a Rottweiler are looking for a bigger dog.
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#45113 - 01/14/2003 04:59 PM |
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so from what i gather, most rotty owners would prefer something like a mal or a GSD, but these breeds just don't suit their lifestyles? this comment doesnt go for everyone of course,
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#45114 - 01/14/2003 05:29 PM |
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Originally posted by chris jones:
Mick, there maybe some Rotts in the Victorian Police Dept but as I am sure you are aware the quality of police dogs in Australian Police Depts is so poor it is laughable. Rotts and GSD's. The Victorian Police have a breeding program that is based on Australian Show German Shepherds (the same temperment as American Bloodine GSD). When the police here say "Seige Dog" they mean that he's the dog that actually runs toward the bad guy's.
I shouldn't say all police dogs because the Queensland Police have actually taken some good steps and there some good dogs there. They have West German Working lines on the streets there including a Yoshey son & Gento grandson. Chris,
I am well aware of the poor quality overall of the Victorian Police dogs. A friend of mine is in the Dog Squad and tells me stroies that make me shudder the dogs are so poor. However in saying that if you know many of the Vic Pol dogs you will know butch the Rott they have at the moment (he is retiring soon or may even have retired) but he is one serious dog. He is a dog I would own, no worries. They really have trouble handling him but he is a good dog no matter what your criteria. They have also just bred to Brabantsia Deisel which if you know Deisel he does not muck around either. A very civil, sharp dog.
Kevin Wrote "so from what i gather, most rotty owners would prefer something like a mal or a GSD, but these breeds just don't suit their lifestyles? this comment doesnt go for everyone of course" Dont think anyone really said that. Just tried to show the strength of one breed is different to the strength of another but that both have their place and are capable at their roles.
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#45115 - 01/14/2003 06:20 PM |
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Originally posted by Kevin Hier:
so from what i gather, most rotty owners would prefer something like a mal or a GSD, but these breeds just don't suit their lifestyles? this comment doesnt go for everyone of course, Not at all. I have no need for a dog that can do building searches, etc. I don't need a dog that can do long distance apprehensions. I need a dog capable of doing maximum damage in minimum time at close range. I haven't seen many Mals or GSD's and have no desire to start a breed war but the ones I have seen look pretty hyper and excitable. Again, not what I am looking for. Plus Mals tend to be smallish and I just prefer a big dog. Again, my lack of experience may be showing and I mean no offense but I can't help but think that a 110+lb. dog is gonna stop someone quicker than a 50lb. dog. A big Rott doesn't have to be fat. Take a look at Wotan on http://www.jenecks.com That dog was 131 lbs. when he got his Korung and I defy anyone to tell me he was fat. He was massive, and massive is what I need, like and want. Like most similar discussions, it comes down to "to each his own". We all have different needs and likes and that's why God made all those different breeds. If I say one breed is "better" than another that just means it's better for me.
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#45116 - 01/15/2003 10:18 AM |
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walt, just curouius, what do you use your dog for?
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