It is kind of hard to tell because everything is happening so fast, but it looks like the helper is doing everything “by the book”. Just one of those things that can happen with a high speed dog. The helper is also nice enough to not attack the dog but wait until it gets its act together and attacks him.
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
Posts: 5983
Loc: Idaho
Offline
Everything in the video happens fast, so I slowed it down and watched it on slow several times to really look what happened.
It appears to me that the helper jerked the sleeve downward as he spun from the catch, which sent the dog into motion. The dog likely slipped off the sleeve at that critical moment and was sent into his back flip due to that.
Ouch. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
We had a fun day at club yesterday watching Chris Duhon as a guest helper being spun like a top and then slammed into the ground by Atos, aka "Super Mal". His helper technique was actually good but the dog's speed and momentum would just overcome him ( and to his credit, a helper that had done the DVG DM in Germany said that Atos was the hardest hitting Mal that he'd ever encountered ).
We love having Chris visit us....new meat!
from camera angle, I don't think decoy did anything wrong. Long bite is like gymnastics. No matter how much practice, timing could still go wrong. It's not something too strange for a high speed dog.
The dog was on the sleeve (otherwise it wouldn't have gotten that kind of spin)... and couldn't hold its grip. TSB "a" but points deducted for bad grip... Good overall impression because the dog reengaged so quickly
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
Posts: 5983
Loc: Idaho
Offline
shon mao:
"from camera angle, I don't think decoy did anything wrong. Long bite is like gymnastics. No matter how much practice, timing could still go wrong."
What the heck does that statement mean -are you saying that the dog had it's timing wrong?
Do you understand what the job of a decoy is? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
Get out of the way and intimidate the dog with body posture and clatter stick..... Oh you mean they call what those Schutzhund "helper" guys do "decoying <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />"?????
yes, the dog's grip timing is a bit off. It will be pretty natural to u if u done gymnastics before. When you spin on a bar, u tighten ur grip at certain time. When a dog fly in like that fast, if its grip tightening delayed a tiny little bit, it will get spin off. If u really do helper work on high speed dog urself, this thing once in a while will happen. It doesn't have to somersault like that, that has sth to do with its speed and bodyweight. It's hard to believe u'v never seen a dog spin off b4 since u r in it for so long.
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
Posts: 5983
Loc: Idaho
Offline
Shon,
I can only guess what you're saying due to your poor written English, but I'll try to reply to what I think you're said.
I've done plenty of helper work. And I recognize when a helper has caused an accident by his mistake. And that's what we're seeing on this video.
And as far as these things happening once in a while - they shouldn't occur with a good helper.
I'll try to explain this simply, but it requires an elementary understanding of physics:
The dog will spin off a sleeve if it's grip loosens on a flat plane - in other words out and away from the helper. That's just centrifugal force in action.
However, for the dog to somersault off the sleeve requires the helper to have put the sleeve into another ( read "incorrect" ) plane. That helper rotated the sleeve into a vertical position which caused the somersault when the dog lost it's grip. Strictly helper error.
When purchasing any product from Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. it is understood
that any and all products sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. are sold in Dunn
County Wisconsin, USA. Any and all legal action taken against Leerburg Enterprises,
Inc. concerning the purchase or use of these products must take place in Dunn
County, Wisconsin. If customers do not agree with this policy they should not
purchase Leerburg Ent. Inc. products.
Dog Training is never without risk of injury. Do not use any of the products
sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. without consulting a local professional.
The training methods shown in the Leerburg Ent. Inc. DVD’s are meant
to be used with a local instructor or trainer. Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. cannot
be held responsible for accidents or injuries to humans and/or animals.
Copyright 2010 Leerburg® Enterprises, Inc. All rights reserved. All photos and content on leerburg.com are part of a registered copyright owned by Leerburg Enterprise, Inc.
By accessing any information within Leerburg.com, you agree to abide by the
Leerburg.com Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.
Re: SchH video from Hell......
Top
Previous Topic
Index
Next Topic
.jpg)
