 Re: Cesar Milan Lawsuit
[Re: Anne Vaini ]
#105866 - 05/07/2006 12:46 AM |
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Re: Cesar Milan Lawsuit
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#105867 - 05/07/2006 05:51 PM |
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I understand that owners are a problem, thats why the training should involve the re-training of the owners. How can I learn how to better handle my dog if its away being re-trained by someone else? The human -education piece IS important since it is their dog. That is what I am saying. Nevertheless I know nothing about Mr. Milan, I've never watched his shows. I just know my friend sent her dog away to be trained by a "professional" and be rid of its fear of other dogs and the dog returned loonier than before and she still had no tools to manage him. Then she relearned how to handle him through a different methodology and had better results. Just my opinion thats all.
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Re: Cesar Milan Lawsuit
[Re: Sarah ten Bensel ]
#105868 - 05/07/2006 06:30 PM |
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I understand that owners are a problem, thats why the training should involve the re-training of the owners. How can I learn how to better handle my dog if its away being re-trained by someone else?....
What I'm answering refers to pet dogs who are what CM calls red-zone (tries to kill humans or other dogs, and in some cases has already killed another animal), or who are otherwise badly out of control.
To answer your question about training the handler: Absolutely. There are times, though, when a dog is completely out of control, and a serious danger, with a handler who has has either created or fostered the problem for years, and who is a liability and detriment to the beginning of the rehab process.
That would be an example of a dog at "boot camp" at CM's facility, learning not only from him, but from the pack of rehabilitated dogs there.
That is my understanding, and JMO. I am interested in reading what others' ideas are about removing a dangerously unbalanced dog from the handler to jump-start the rehabilitation.
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 Re: Cesar Milan Lawsuit
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#105869 - 05/07/2006 08:01 PM |
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Wow, I see a lot of people are defending Cesar Milan here, but what do we really know about the guy? I know only what I have seen on his television show that he "trains people and rehabilitates dogs" and that he is "de dog whisperer". I don't know what kind of judgment he has when it comes to hiring people or maybe he lacks the ability to really read a person as well as he can dogs? I'll reserve my judgment though because I don't have all the facts, but I don't think we should see the Plaintiff (TV Producer) as the devil just yet.
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Re: Cesar Milan Lawsuit
[Re: James Edward Bliss, Jr. ]
#105870 - 05/07/2006 08:11 PM |
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Wow, I see a lot of people are defending Cesar Milan here, but what do we really know about the guy?.......
Well, for me personally, I have already made this statement earlier in the thread: "I'm probably too invested in my serious and long-term respect and liking for the guy to be an objective observer."
I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on this board in having followed his advice for several years, before and after the National Geographic series, and in having seen him in action as often as I could, read his book, etc.
You're right, certainly, about the possibility that he has erred in his selection of employees.
And you're 100% correct that we don't know the real or whole story. All stories have more than one side, too, and your call for balance is good!
JMO.
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Re: Cesar Milan Lawsuit
[Re: James Edward Bliss, Jr. ]
#105871 - 05/07/2006 08:19 PM |
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From what I've read and heard about from people who met and know him, I've heard he's nothing but a really classy guy who geniunely loves dogs. However, sometimes mistakes can and do happen with your staff regardless of the person on charge. I don't wish to speak for Ed, but I remember reading one article where some kind of a mistake happened with a very very dog aggressive male was about to kill his old female Lab drug dog. I don't presume to know the details, but mistakes can be made either in hiring people or in procedure and protocol. It's unfortunate the dog was injured but I wouldn't personally fault him for it. Legally speaking is another story about how that is going to play out...
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Re: Cesar Milan Lawsuit
[Re: James Edward Bliss, Jr. ]
#105872 - 05/07/2006 08:39 PM |
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Wow, I see a lot of people are defending Cesar Milan here, but what do we really know about the guy? I know only what I have seen on his television show.....
He has been around for a lot longer than the TV series, and in fact started his training business, which was a pretty immediate success, in the early 90s......or maybe '93. I think the fact that he was in SoCal and convenient to "the stars" helped him to become more widely known.
He credits Will Smith, Jada Pinkett Smith, Oprah Winfrey, and several other well-known clients for the expansion of his successful local training business (Pacific Point K-9) into a national success.
OTOH, I don't see him in any way as having ridden on famous people's coattails without the know-how to back it up.
JMO............and probably more of it than anyone wanted. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Finis!
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Re: Cesar Milan Lawsuit
[Re: Ed Frawley ]
#105873 - 05/08/2006 01:49 AM |
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Ed stated "When he went to school he had to wear a LEAD COAT so he could not leave his desk ( I had never heard of that - sounds like child abuse)"
Hi,
I am a mother of a child with Autism. I believe the vest that child wore is for Sensory Integration Disorder. It is called a weighted vest, and it helps calm children with sensory problems. It does not keep the child at his desk, but it helps his sensory issues, and in turn, it helps him stay at his desk. It is not "Child Abuse", just like a "prong collar" is not "dog abuse."
You can do a Internet search and get more information if interested.
I do not have enough information to know for sure that is what that child wore, but it sounds like a weighted vest.
Thanks for listening,
Debbie
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[Re: Debbie Mann ]
#105874 - 05/08/2006 08:46 AM |
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Ed stated "When he went to school he had to wear a LEAD COAT so he could not leave his desk ( I had never heard of that - sounds like child abuse)"
Hi,
I am a mother of a child with Autism. I believe the vest that child wore is for Sensory Integration Disorder. It is called a weighted vest, and it helps calm children with sensory problems. It does not keep the child at his desk, but it helps his sensory issues, and in turn, it helps him stay at his desk. It is not "Child Abuse", just like a "prong collar" is not "dog abuse."
You can do a Internet search and get more information if interested.
I do not have enough information to know for sure that is what that child wore, but it sounds like a weighted vest.
Thanks for listening,
Debbie
Yes, that's what I took it to be as well, Debbie. I hope things are going well for you and your family.
And if the kid was wearing a soothing vest...chances are ADD is just one of the issues he was presenting. Sad story, in any case.
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Re: Cesar Milan Lawsuit
[Re: Woody Taylor ]
#105875 - 05/08/2006 11:20 PM |
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Well, it's just too bad everyone has to sue over everything. My Mother once took me to a friend of hers' house that had Fox Terriers; I was told to leave the older one alone, he didn't like kids. I didn't and the dog bit me. My Mom said, "Well, I TOLD you he'd bite you"! End of story. Nowadays parents run to court faster than you can say personal responsibility!
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