The OP asked a question about ecoller selection and once again it turned into another stupid mastiff discussion <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />, why anyone would own a mastiff when they can own a GSD is beyond me......

To the OP, i've got the dogtra 1200 ncp and it works fine, it's almost 2yrs old and i haven't had any problems.

AL

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The OP asked a question about ecoller selection and once again it turned into another stupid mastiff discussion <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />, why anyone would own a mastiff when they can own a GSD is beyond me......

To the OP, i've got the dogtra 1200 ncp and it works fine, it's almost 2yrs old and i haven't had any problems.

AL

and why anyone would own a GSD, or any other breed for that matter, when they could own an EM is totally beyond me. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

in this particular case, the breed of dog is highly significant. there are many more and different concerns when you have an animal that size, and that powerful. you cannot train an EM the way you train a GSD for that reason.

for just one example, there is a philosophy here to not begin serious training before six months of age. with an EM, it would be total folly to wait that long before using corrections. you won't be able to control the animal the rest of his life if you do.

people on this board are highly knowledgeable about what they have lots of experience with. if you don't have lots of experience with it, perhaps it would be better to keep your opinions to yourself.

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The OP asked a question about ecoller selection and once again it turned into another stupid mastiff discussion <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />, why anyone would own a mastiff when they can own a GSD is beyond me......

To the OP, i've got the dogtra 1200 ncp and it works fine, it's almost 2yrs old and i haven't had any problems.

AL

and why anyone would own a GSD, or any other breed for that matter, when they could own an EM is totally beyond me. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

in this particular case, the breed of dog is highly significant. there are many more and different concerns when you have an animal that size, and that powerful. you cannot train an EM the way you train a GSD for that reason.

for just one example, there is a philosophy here to not begin serious training before six months of age. with an EM, it would be total folly to wait that long before using corrections. you won't be able to control the animal the rest of his life if you do.

people on this board are highly knowledgeable about what they have lots of experience with. if you don't have lots of experience with it, perhaps it would be better to keep your opinions to yourself.

Quoting Ed on this "Dog training is not breed specific, it's temperament specific". I would say that maybe special considerations should be made with a breed of that size..

Just my look on the issue..

Regards,


Just my opinion..

Sorry Alice, maybe you would have trouble handling a 200 lb dog but to many, it's no different, people train horses and they weigh a little more than dogs, LOL. Control is about the dog respecting you, it's not breed specific. One doesn't need to have the experience of owning a mastiff to understand that. Get yourself a nice drivey, athletic GSD and after awhile masiffs won't seem so challenging to you,

AL

Alice - I am loosing patience with you. This thread was about what remote collar Brian should use. It was not about Mastiff’s.

I suggest that you get your facts straight. No where in my writing, DVD’s, videos, or seminars have I said you wait until 6 months of age to start training a dogs. The fact is I recommend that training begin at 8 weeks and it never ends.

With that said you are 100% wrong in your comments indicating that training this breed (Mastiff's) is different than training a GSD.

Alice, spend some time educating yourself. Read the article I wrote titled THE THEORY OF CORRECTIONS IN DOG TRAINING http://leerburg.com/corrections.htm I suspect you will learn something about dog training.

I also suggest that you start your own web discussion board on English Mastiff’s. In that way you can post any and all the information you want on your own breed.

Al is 100% correct when he brings the analogy of training horses - Cindy and I happen to own 5 horses and we have no problem training the 1,000 pounders. In fact Cindy is better at it than I am and she weighs considerably less than I do.

Jeez, I leave for a couple hours and everyone is getting all worked up!

We are talking collars here, not how strong a dog is physically or anything else. With a big dog you aren't as limited by the model, with a really small dog some of the boxes are just too big for their little dinky necks.

First of all, training is not breed specific. It's temperament and drive specific, whether you are dealing with dogs OR horses. Training 2 dogs of the same breed can be 2 entirely different experiences, based on the differences between individuals. With all that said, the original poster asked about e-collars. The breed of dog is irrelevant in my opinion. The size of the dog has nothing to do with how the dog reacts to the collar. IT'S THE TEMPERAMENT OF THE DOG, NOT THE SIZE OR BREED. Mastiff or Papillon, it makes no difference. The other issue with some ecollars is the strap may be too large for some or too small for others.

No one should be slamming anyone's breed of choice, and in the future if something like this happens, the person doing the 'slamming' will be dealt with by one of the moderators so posters don't feel the need to get their hackles up.

I happen to like a lot of breeds of dogs, and have met many that I would be happy to feed. We are all here to learn adn help each other out so let's start acting like it.

Heck, I have 2 Corgis, 5 Malinois and a variety of GSDs. One of my favorite dogs of all time was a Bullmastiff named Otis. He had more drive than many GSDs I have seen, no kidding.

Just because someone else's breed of choice isn't your favorite is no reason to start personal or breed bashing. There is something to be learned from everyone, if you open your mind and pay attention. ( Even if it's only what you SHOULDN'T do!)

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.......I happen to like a lot of breeds of dogs, and have met many that I would be happy to feed. ......

A good way to phrase it. I too have met dogs of many breeds that I would be happy to feed! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

thank you, cindy!

Well done, Cindy <:-)

Most people don't really believe me when I tell them I've "scaled down" from Basenjis to Akitas because the little African breed is MORE of a handful than the Large Japanese Dogs, but that's the truth (!)