In my opinion doing what's called the Alpha roll (rolling a dog over on it's back and pinning it intil it submits) can be very dangerous to the person doing it. The Apha dog does not forceably roll a subordinate over that way. The subordinate dog rolls on its back itself as an act of extreme submission. A properly timed leash correction geared to the level of the offense as well as the individual dog's temperament is safer and, in my opinion, more effective.

Mike, I have given my oppinion so I won't repeat any of it in this post. I will say after reading everyones responses and your additional post that I think it might be a good idea to contact Ed direct or get some quality professional help in your area. This type of situation has been stopped with my dogs long before it esclates into the situation you have so while I think I know what I would do as I've said before I havent had to do it.

The thing I do feel strongly about is that you should get this taken care of soon before someone gets bit and possibly hurt.

Good luck.

Thanks for all the responses! This is a great forum.

My plan is to change things in my dog life so that he hopefull will realize that I am the Alpha without having to fight. If we have to fight then we will but that definitly isn't my first choice, maybe a couple of months ago but not now. He is big(90lbs wth ribs showing) and strong and really fast. I am lucky I did as well as I did that night and I am pretty strong and fast myself. I admit the I am somewhat scared of him in that situation not so much fear of being bit but fear of the outcome, medical exepses, my dogs fate... I love my dog he is my best friend and besides I have no medical insurance. LOL

Aside from the problems I have posted about my dog he's not all bad. For example the other day we were hiking and all these little girl scouts came around the corner and my dogs tail just started wagging out of control. Little girls surronded my dog and he loved it, yet ten minutes later a lone man came around the corner and my dog barked at him. He can go out in crowded places without a problem and learns with lightning speed. I just wanted to mention some of his good traits because I know I only seem to post when I got a problem. I will keep you guys updated.
Mike

Mike, please get professional help, not from some PP trainer or pet trainer but from someone experienced in dealing with aggression. Perhaps Ed could recommend someone/s in your area. A couple possibilities are police k9 trainers,and personal protection dog trainers. You absolutely do not want to get into s real fight with a 90 lb GSD.

My appologies Ed and everyone. I did not give a disclaimer with that advice and I forget that I'm not speaking with dog experts only. Yes there are dogs that are so Alpha driven they will not back down and will nail your butt. There are also others that will not take an unfair correction without going after you. Sorry folks. Go with the firm leash corrections mentioned here in another post. I would watch out for that dog though. He may not be able to be trusted. I would do a lot of obedience and walks with him with him firm at heel!!! That will help with pack order issues.
Rick Davis

Most of you know my situation so I won't bore you with the background. A former Officer in Charge I worked for suggested Alpha Rolling my Chow Chow. He is a great leader and I figured knew what he was advising. My wife had the pleaseure of raising Bruno when he was younger and therefore tried the Alpha Roll when he was small. Well, he got bigger. The bigger he got the more difficult it was to roll him and now he hates my wife. As his problems increased I sought the Dominent dog DVD from Leerburg. In it, Ed demonstrates what the Alpha Roll does to a dog that is not aggressive. The dog tries to get up, basically resists and somewhat fights back. His advice is to never Alpha Roll a dog but until you see it you think it'll never happen to me. I will never Alpha Roll another dog that could get large enough to be a problem, you can't win, it's unsafe. As someone else posted, your dog needs to remember his place at all times and keeping him on some form of physical control at all times is a good method. I use a remote trainer. My dog is collar wise but it still helps keep him in line, I usually don't have to stim him. I've also read never allow your dog to be in a position above you. If your sitting he's laying, if he's sitting, your standing or sitting at a higher level than your dog. Of course many people don't need to use these methods but we are not so lucky.

DZ

Ya there has been a lot of talk of the alpha roll in this thread, believe me I won't try it with my dog.

I know its only been a couple days but things have been getting better. I have been feeding him out of my hands, haven't been lying on the floor with him, been giving him toys only when he is being very good and I have even been taking toys away on command(well I give the command then I trade for a little peanut butter on my finger) and I usally give the toy right back. He hesitated the first time and we locked eyes but I keep my cool and acted confident and the second he let me grab the toy I rewarded him. I think I am on the right track but time will tell.
I know he was way out of line to try and fight me but after really thinking about long and hard I mean what did I expect, I was putting my face right up against his toy and acted like I was chewing on it with him. He had already warned me in the past and I just let it go. So I understand his behavior is unacaptable but so was mine!
Mike