please explain what do you mean by that. So your statement means what that this so called selection process failed or was this conducted in some 3rd world country. I have seen many watered down mals and gsd.

I don't know what you are talking about.I never said that boxers are bad at schutzhund, all I replied was that this is what I heard, never had the desire to get one, love the breed but hey I could be wrong. What is wrong with that??
Good for you ,you have good Boxers I think that's great, so some good ones do exist,I'll celebrate for you
Dont make it sound like I was bashing the breed,throw yourself a pitty party if that makes you feel better

"Throw yourself a pity party"... Too funny Angelique, love your replies

Demetrius there's no need to get so defensive. Every breed has bad specimens (just look at the German shepherds bred from show lines!). Boxers are no different.
If you have high-end working boxers, then good for you. By all means post about your breeding and training accomplishments with your dogs and people here will be happy to celebrate with you.
No need to get your hackles up at people who are simply trying to discuss the potential weaknesses of a particular breed.

German shepherd enthusiasts are eager to discuss potential problems with different lines of the breed. It helps distinguish the great dogs from the not so great ones and we all learn a lot from these discussions.

I would suggest going about this with an open mind - if we are wrong about something, enlighten us with your own experience and knowledge. Don't get mad about it

 Quote: DemetriusDrayton

please explain what do you mean by that. So your statement means what that this so called selection process failed or was this conducted in some 3rd world country. I have seen many watered down mals and gsd.

If that was a question, and if that was directed towards me, could you re-phrase that or something?

I *think* I see what's going on here. I think his relpy was to Steven, not Angelique, and I think he misinterpreted your statement (it's actually easy to do with e-mail).

Demetrius, I think what Steven was saying here (and please correct me steven! ) is that the mals and GSDs were considered top dogs, as a breed, for the work that was needed (warime, law enforcement, guarding, etc). It would be inefficient for the gov't to search through individual dogs (of any breed) therefore, they stuck with the breed as a whole to work with since there is a higher chance that a GSD or a Mal, say, would be more suited to the work than, say, a Boxer.

This is not to say that a Boxer can't do the work. But if you put a 100 GSDs or Mals and 100 Boxers in a selection process, chances are better that more GSDs or Mals than Boxers would be suitable.

And since the gov'ts made the breed so well-known, Boxers in that line of work have slipped into ubiquity, as Steven said, and haven't been as "tested in the field" as GSDs and Mals.

This is how I read it, anyway. Steven, am I close to what you meant?

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I don't know what you are talking about.I never said that boxers are bad at schutzhund, all I replied was that this is what I heard, never had the desire to get one, love the breed but hey I could be wrong. What is wrong with that??
Good for you ,you have good Boxers I think that's great, so some good ones do exist,I'll celebrate for you
Dont make it sound like I was bashing the breed,throw yourself a pitty party if that makes you feel better

Angelique, I am probably responsible for any misunderstanding. I mentioned I train with boxers. Demetrius is one of those "two Boxer guys" I mentioned. I think he was responding to your questions about 1) what titles these dogs have and 2) address questions asked about whether their muzzles are an impediment to tracking. Hopefully his responses make more sense knowing that he and I know each other, and he was adding factual clarification from his personal experience with the breed, to some of my general comments. I didn't get a "pity party" vibe at all.


Part of the theme of this thread seems to be about finding responsible breeders for working boxers. I just hate to see a relatively new poster who I KNOW is working very responsibly at his training and breeding program being dissed about a "pity party" when I know for SURE that is not his intent.

I would encourage any boxer enthusiasts looking to advance the breed in the US to add this guy to your network of contacts.

Beth

 Quote: amber morgan

And since the gov'ts made the breed so well-known, Boxers in that line of work have slipped into ubiquity, as Steven said, and haven't been as "tested in the field" as GSDs and Mals.

Eh? Should that be "obscurity" rather than "ubiquity"? Ubiquity means "Existence or apparent existence everywhere at the same time" ???

Yes, that's what I meant! Dur! Maybe Steven meant ubiquity in the sense of GSD and Mals and I misread his meaning. You sharp-eyed woman, you!

Beth , it sounded defensive to me when I read it last night late, reading it again does not sound as defensive but still .I think it's great that there are good Boxers out there that can do the sports, work ect... I like many breed and know about many others.Boxers are not one I have researched but I had always wondered why we don't see that many in the sport.I have been to many seminars and trials,I never saw a Boxer make an appearance.So I asked a retired Search and rescue officer that I know very well,he had been with SAR for many years ,I trust his opinion and said on my post what he had told me about boxers.I never said ,hey this is a fact,and I know it all blah blah blah..I would be the first to say "hey I heard this,but I don't know ,please educate me"I don't pretend to know something I know nothing about,never been afraid to say I don't know.So for him to say to me :stick to shepherds, when I did not make a fact statement about the breed( Boxers) was a bit defensive to me.And I might add that others( board members) as well, who asked me why is this guy being so defensive towards me? So I had to reply in the way I did.... Saying that you have titles on your dogs has never meant that your dogs /breed is wonderful,talk about the breed itself, the health ,talk about what your dogs can do, describe your dog in detail, so we get a better understanding your dogs abilities,that's what makes the breed special to me IMO.

 Quote: DemetriusDrayton

so your right youare wrong stick to speaking on Shepards.

I swear, I looked back over the posts multiple times and didn't see this. Angelique, I was thinking that you were responding to this:

 Quote: DemetriusDrayton

please explain what do you mean by that. So your statement means what that this so called selection process failed or was this conducted in some 3rd world country. I have seen many watered down mals and gsd.

since your reply to the former was made after the latter.

Now your response makes much more sense to me. I'm willing to give everyone the benifit of the doubt when it comes to getting your intent accross via the written word, but I can see why people thought that his responses were snotty...especially because I didn't get the sense that Angelique was bashing boxers at all...quite the opposite, in fact.