Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147525 - 07/08/2007 11:40 AM |
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.... I'm still a little confused about what to start feeding Koda. His kibble is all natural and I buy it from a place called Orlando Pet Pantry. No fillers, artificial ingredients.
I give my dogs raw bones from time to time and they really love them and I know this is not to replace their kibble. I also don't free feed. I put the bowls down and if the dogs don't eat it within ten or fifteen minutes, I pick the bowls up. At dinner time I do this again. Some will eat, some won't.
Sandra, it would be better to ask feeding questions on a separate thread in the right forum.
http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/12/page/1
Then this thread can stay on topic (aggression/dominance).
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Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147528 - 07/08/2007 12:04 PM |
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Sandra,
If you are not ready to start feeding raw you could always try reducing Koda's kibble and replacing it with pumpkin. Plain canned pumpkin or home cooked, not the sweetened, spiced kind you use to make a pumpkin pie. (Most stores stock both kinds right next to each other, so be sure to read the label and get the right one! You want the kind that is just plain pumpkin and nothing else)
Feeding pumpkin allows you to reduce the amount of kibble you are feeding more quickly, but leaves your dog feeling satisfied. Pumpkin also helps regulate the digestive tract similar to the way Metamucil works for humans: it firms loose stools and helps constipation.
IMO, you can't go wrong using pumpkin with a reduction diet, especially if you don't want to move your dog to raw diet or if you have a young adult or working dog that you don't want to put on a lower protein/ low calorie diet. You can continue to feed the kibble you feed now, just start reducing the quantity and start increasing the pumpkin until you find the ratio that works best. I seldom need to tweak my dog's weight via their food, but if I do I start by decreasing his/her kibble by about 1/4 cup and adding about the same amount of pumpkin.
Cher
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Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147532 - 07/08/2007 12:31 PM |
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I don't trust him because I have seen this behavior in him before. It seems that the second he gets any freedom like to roam around the house and yard, his demeanor changes. I suppose he is so dominant that it doesn't take much at all to put him right back into that mode. I'm not sure that I will ever trust him but it's going to be a wait and see thing.
You may never be able to completely trust him but that doesn't mean he can't still be a member of your pack. Make sure you ALWAYS keep him on a leash (I'd say in hand) when indoors. He sounds allot like my chow. He'll be cool as a cucumber for awhile, then get a little grouchy which can escalate in micro-seconds and if you have no way to control him, your timing will be off and not consistent. I've also found ALLOT of grooming is an all around benefit. Dog is submissive if allowing you to brush him and if needed, use a muzzle.
If you don't already have it, get the Dominant Dog DVD and watch it with hubby. Ed really covers the benefits of protocol consistency and problems without. Sorry if I may have insulted your training ability, didn't mean to. Just the same info I'd give to anyone as I've lived it myself.
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Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147566 - 07/08/2007 07:42 PM |
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People have mentioned dog bite pictures on this site.
Are there really some on here.
Such things would be a great use to me as a Law Enforcement Officer, to get across the point of aggressive dogs. I can point people in the direction of the link, during talks and advice meetings...
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Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147568 - 07/08/2007 07:46 PM |
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People have mentioned dog bite pictures on this site.
Are there really some on here.
Such things would be a great use to me as a Law Enforcement Officer, to get across the point of aggressive dogs. I can point people in the direction of the link, during talks and advice meetings...
http://leerburg.com/kidbites.htm
Scroll down; pictures are interspersed with text all the way down.
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Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147655 - 07/09/2007 03:22 PM |
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Thanks all for your advise. It has been well received.
As for the pumpkin.....are there enough nutrients and vitamins in it to benefit Koda?
I have heard many things about feeding pumpkin and one was to give it when a dog has an upset stomach. Koda doesn't usually have loose stools so that isn't an issue.
He would probably really like the taste of the pumpkin but should I introduce this little by little?
I do own Ed's dvd on dominant dogs along with several others. I have watched these videos many times.
One of the things that triggers Koda's aggression is my dominant female dog. Since she was a puppy she has always dominated Koda and he let her do it. She is such a terror towards him. One example is when I take Koda out of his crate to move him to the back yard, Sunny will follow us toward the door and when she can get close to Koda, she attacks him. It doesn't look vicious but it's an attack nevertheless.
The instant I put the E collar on her, she is a little angel. No matter how much conditioning I have done with her and this collar, she knows when she's wearing it.
Sunny is so dominant that if any of the other dogs have a chewie, toy or bone and Sunny has the exact same thing, she will leave hers and stand over one of the dogs until they give in to her. Time after time I have witnessed this and corrected her to no avail. I have never seen such a strong willed dog. She is half Poodle and half Golden Retriever. The Poodle in her makes her pretty darn smart and she can figure out things that the other dogs can't. The retriever in her makes her squirrely and high energy.
Thinking back to the time when Koda was the only dog, he wasn't so grumpy. As the pack grew, he became more and more intolerant of other dogs. I am puzzled by this because I thought dogs loved to be with their pack but on the other hand, if a dog is constantly being bullied by another dog, the victim will soon tire of this and react to it. Any thoughts?
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Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147658 - 07/09/2007 03:43 PM |
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She is such a terror towards him. One example is when I take Koda out of his crate to move him to the back yard, Sunny will follow us toward the door and when she can get close to Koda, she attacks him.
Hey Sandra, To me this description of Sunny is a little different then your first post. I may have missed it but to avoid rank problems with your growing pack are they all living under the same rules and boundries?
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Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147666 - 07/09/2007 04:26 PM |
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As for the pumpkin.....are there enough nutrients and vitamins in it to benefit Koda?
Sandra,
I didn't get the impression Koda's problem was nutrition, but one of too many calories and not enough exercise. (Calorie in/calorie out)
You'd feed pumpkin in addition to his kibble. Provided you use a good food, he should get plenty of nutrients and vitamins from the kibble, whatever supplements you may already feed, plus the pumpkin. Think of it like this. If your dog is used to getting 1.5 cups of kibble twice a day and that's too much, you can decrease his kibble by 1/4 cup (per feeding) and substitute pumpkin. So now he won't be driving you nuts two hours before it's time to eat! At the end of a week or two you can reevaluate and subtract another 1/4 cup kibble and add 1/2 cup pumpkin, then hold it there for another week or two and see how he responds.
I don't know about your gang, but I have two with alarm clocks for stomachs ... they'll rise from a dead sleep and start acting like they're gonna expire on the spot if they don't get fed soon. If I'm cutting back on kibble and feeding a little pumpkin they won't start with the drama routine two hours before dinner.
I'm not one to sweat the small stuff, so I just subtracted the kibble and added the pumpkin. My dogs never knew the difference and they never complained!
Like I said before, I don't usually need to do this for more than a week or two, but I know several people who have young adult dogs who do it all the time ... meaning more or less permanently. Their dogs are chow hounds and they do not want to feed their dogs a reduced calorie kibble.
Cher
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Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147668 - 07/09/2007 04:30 PM |
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Whoa, Sandra, why are you letting "the inmates run the asylum" ??? You need to protect your other dog/s from that alpha Goldoodle !!! Thought you said you'd watched Ed's Dom-Aggro DVD multiple times -- I must really be missing something here, or else you are...
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Re: dominant/handler aggressive dog
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#147689 - 07/09/2007 05:26 PM |
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I had to laugh at "letting the inmates run the asylum". Sometimes that's how it feels but believe me, I don't sit back and allow it to happen. Since I started getting all of the feedback from you guys, I now make sure Sunny isn't near Koda when we go out.
I swear, if I had known that Sunny's breeder was sending me a Tasmanian Devil dog, I would have thought twice before buying Sunny!!! You would think that a breeder could observe the litter and how they interact with each other and know which pup is dominant and which isn't. I remember asking the breeder to pick out a submissive pup and one that is sociable. Sunny is sociable but certainly not submissive!!!!
All I can do is keep trying.....(sigh)
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