Saffron K. Hall wrote 11/29/2007 01:56 PM Re: Snakes [Re: Carol Boche ] #165676 - 11/29/2007 01:56 PM
Saffron K. Hall Webboard User Reg: 01-24-2003 Posts: 384 Loc: Austin TX Offline	I've scattered mothballs under decking and in out-of-the-way spots and it has worked well not only keeping snakes away but rats too....they seem to hate the smell. Not sure how this would work in your area.....they'd have to be out of the reach of the dogs.
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Bruce Hart wrote 11/29/2007 07:22 PM Re: Snakes [Re: Saffron K. Hall ] #165779 - 11/29/2007 07:22 PM
Bruce Hart Webboard User Reg: 12-30-2005 Posts: 23 Loc: Arkansas Offline	I moved to Ok.,the so-called badlands, in June. The second week I was here, my dog got bit on her hind leg by a rattle{western diamond back}snake. I rushed her to the closest Vet. I could find, and watched throughout the night, I was told that the next 6 hours after a bite, would determine the outcome. The Vet gave me benedril, and instructed me to give her 4 every 2 hours. Halie recovered.I keep 25mg benedril on hand in case of another incident. Iv'e been told that sulfur spread along the perementer of your property, would repel snakes. Friends from Florida say moth balls are the answer to the problem. I don't know the answer, but it's a constant worry in the warmer months. I'm going to investigate this new rattle snake vacine, and give the above a try.
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Carol Boche wrote 11/29/2007 07:54 PM Re: Snakes [Re: Bruce Hart ] #165783 - 11/29/2007 07:54 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Bruce, All the rattlesnake vaccine does, from what I have read and discussed with my vet, is buy you a little more time to get the dog to medical attention. We have Prairie Rattlers here and my vet has stocked me with all the meds I need for supportive care (what he would do as well). Most dogs so not die from a snakebite. They are similar to horses in that, they are more susceptible to die from respiratory issues (pnuemonia) that result as a complication from a bite if left untreated. Also, if I am not mistaken, there are a few type of toxins from snakebite that the vaccine will not help against at all. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Howard Knauf wrote 11/29/2007 08:12 PM Re: Snakes [Re: Carol Boche ] #165790 - 11/29/2007 08:12 PM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	Snake bites affect different parts of the body depending on the species of snake. Some have neurotoxins, others affect the flesh itself. Knowing what type of snake lives in your territory is key to knowing what type of first aid kit you'll need. Howard http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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Andy Deitz wrote 11/29/2007 10:41 PM Re: Snakes [Re: Howard Knauf ] #165826 - 11/29/2007 10:41 PM
Andy Deitz Webboard User Reg: 08-12-2007 Posts: 38 Loc: New Hampshire Offline	Most everything in the US has a hemotoxic venom. There are a few that have hemotoxic and neurotoxic like a canebreak or a mojave rattlesnake. Coral snakes are neurotoxic. Neurotoxic venom attacks the nervous system, Hemotoxic venom attacks the blood and tissue. The best way to keep snakes away is not to give them a reason to be there. Make your presence known, and keep the yard free of hiding places. Snakes dont want to be around people or large animals. A snakes venom is not its defense mechanism, it is for killing food. It takes alot of energy to produce the venom they use, and they generally want to save it for hunting. -Andy Deitz-
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Bob Scott wrote 11/30/2007 01:03 AM Re: Snakes [Re: Andy Deitz ] #165838 - 11/30/2007 01:03 AM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	The snake vaccine is species specific. It may or may not work depending on what snake bites the dog. As Andy commented, the venom is for hunting. With a defensive bite you have a 1/3 chance of getting a dry bite (no venom at all) a 1/3 chance of a "normal" bite and a 1/3 chance of getting a loaded bite. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Carol Boche wrote 11/30/2007 09:36 AM Re: Snakes [Re: Bob Scott ] #165864 - 11/30/2007 09:36 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: bob scott The snake vaccine is species specific. It may or may not work depending on what snake bites the dog. As Andy commented, the venom is for hunting. With a defensive bite you have a 1/3 chance of getting a dry bite (no venom at all) a 1/3 chance of a "normal" bite and a 1/3 chance of getting a loaded bite. You explained it way better than I did Bob. Also, for the rattlesnakes at least, babies and younger snakes cannot control their venom output the way that older, "more experienced" adults can. Therefore, a baby or young one will deliver a fully loaded bite......regardless.... A friend of ours was out snake hunting and found a "ball" of snakes, which he captured and has in a box. They will all be killed, skinned and used is stew......but that means way less snakes in some of my training area next spring...... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Sarah Morris wrote 11/30/2007 09:53 AM Re: Snakes [Re: Carol Boche ] #165866 - 11/30/2007 09:53 AM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	Quote: carol boche A friend of ours was out snake hunting and found a "ball" of snakes, which he captured and has in a box. They will all be killed, skinned and used is stew...... Does he eat the stew?? True
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Lindsay Janes wrote 11/30/2007 10:19 AM Re: Snakes [Re: Carol Boche ] #165871 - 11/30/2007 10:19 AM
Lindsay Janes Webboard User Reg: 10-24-2005 Posts: 749 Loc: Tucson, Az Offline	Quote: carol boche A friend of ours was out snake hunting and found a "ball" of snakes, which he captured and has in a box. They will all be killed, skinned and used is stew......but that means way less snakes in some of my training area next spring...... It might be a good idea to have few snakes around, but what about rats and mice? I won't be surprised if their population are going to get bigger and bigger. They can multiply really fast. I prefer to have balanced ratio between ratiosnakes and rodents. If there is way too many rodents, think about how bad they will get. Rats and mice can get in our houses and they can leave a huge mess. They can spread diseases such as Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome, leptospirosis, eosinophilic meningitis, etc. Did you know that rats can come out from the toliet? I don't want to see one in my house or a few! Men have a bad habit leaving toliet lid up. :S http://www.metrokc.gov/Health/env_hlth/Rats.htm I don't hate snakes, but I do respect them and their habitats. They keep rodents population under control; however, they aren't the only animals that eat rodents. "It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"
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Carol Boche wrote 11/30/2007 10:20 AM Re: Snakes [Re: Sarah Morris ] #165872 - 11/30/2007 10:20 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Oh yeah, we all do. It is really good, although, it does not really taste like chicken..... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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