Quote: Michael West

OK, now if someone could go down the list from start to finish what you don't agree with. I think that would be interesting

OK to answer my own question here

First: I do not like how the guy could run up an wave a stick at the dog and the owners face and the dog just sit there.
Second: That dog was not excited about doing bite work at all.Just looked like he/she did not have it in him to start with.
Third: I really did not like how the attacker came and pet the dog after just being attacked.
Forth: It seems like they played out the same scenario many times and the dog knows the routine.
Fith:Kind of tied in with second and forth. The dog was trained to stop attacking when the suspect says i give up. And also i am not a fan of the fact the attacker could knock the dog owner out with one swing and the dog is just going to sit there considering the owner did not tell the dog to attack.

There are defently some things i did like about it too. I think the trainer is better at teaching obedience then protection.

As i sit here i am thinking it is extreamly rude of me to crituqe this trainer without him knowing about it. :|

"As i sit here i am thinking it is extreamly rude of me to crituqe this trainer without him knowing about it. :| "

Nope.
If they post a video for all the world to see , people will see ( and comment ) on both the good and bad. They take the risk by posting it , hoping to reap the rewards ( and it's an advertisement, let's be honest here ).
However....when it's not a good video, they risk knowlegable viewers commenting on the obvious flaws seen. Just like what is happening here.

I dont like how the handler took a few steps backwards to heel to the dog

 Quote: jennifer marshal

Robbin - I don't know about insecure exactly but the dog definitely views the helper as a play buddy. He's having fun at least. The pup did show submissive expression to the helper when he was petted (from what I could see ) and I saw all of that as a good game of tug with a higher ranking pack member - almost as if the pup was unsure of how much to play back and was waiting for this dominant pack member to tell him to knock it off and take the prey item. More hesitant than insecure, to my uneducated eye lol

I had to go back and watch it again...and I guess you are right JenM., the dog isn't insecure, he's just unsure of what he's expected to do next.

As far as what I don't like about the video...

I don't like how close the HANDLER allows the guy to get to her. He states the dog has to feel the training is real or he won't protect thus the reason for her picking up the stick and hitting him but in a real situation I would be seriously warning someone to keep their distance and why. As far as I'm concerned that guy was already stepping inside my personal bubble. Not a REAL threat or situation..

I don't like the dogs bite...granted my boy is just learning but he is pretty good about taking a full bite. Most times this dog just got hold of the sleeve with the edges of his teeth, kind of a nip biting. Again, the dog is young and probably not been coached on proper biting techniques. Another reason for him to have used a SEASONED protection dog, already trained, if he were going to be using this as an advertisement. Again, not a REAL situation or defensive enactment.

I don't like him petting the dog after having the dog attack him. To me, that is just plain retarded. I understand the concept of wanting a balanced dog but we are talking about a dog that had not been put into SERIOUS DEFENSE, under these circumstances why the heck would I want my dog to ever think it's okay to be pet afterwards? There again, not a BELIEVEABLE SITUATION like he is propagating that he is portraying.

You know, I could probably go on but I'm not going to...let's just say that this is not protection work. This is having a little bit of fun at the park. I'd love for someone to post some video of something that makes me nod my head and say "oh yeah, now that's what I'm talking about..Hmmm, wonder if Mike S has anything on film

I agree with Robin, I'd like to see something on film with real protection.

What I don't like (not in any particular order) is:

1)The helper touching the dog afterwards.
2)The fact that the dog does not react when the helper gets in his face.
3)I don't think they put a lot of pressure on the dog; maybe because he's a young dog; then again we could believe or not that the dog is actually 7 mos old.
4)The bite doesn't seem full.
5)There seems to be a lack of drive on the dog.
6)Seems very rehearsed.

Now, I'm not an expert and i don't pretend to be better or more knoewledgeable than this guy, but to me it doesn't seem like protection work.

enrique

 Quote: will rambeau

"As i sit here i am thinking it is extreamly rude of me to crituqe this trainer without him knowing about it. :| "

Nope.
If they post a video for all the world to see , people will see ( and comment ) on both the good and bad. They take the risk by posting it , hoping to reap the rewards ( and it's an advertisement, let's be honest here ).
However....when it's not a good video, they risk knowlegable viewers commenting on the obvious flaws seen. Just like what is happening here.

True... Hopefully when i put my video up i wont get thrashed :| Then again its not a instructional video and i know what im talking about.

Here's the thing.
If was posting a video in an attempt to impress potential clients, I would make sure that the video was *perfect*.
If the video is lacking ( for whatever reason ) wouldn't a potential client just say "meh, not for me" and look else where?

I mean, all you have to do is practice enough and take enough video takes and you'll get a good shot. Now if the training it's self is flawed or if the trainer actually doesn't know his topic then, yeah, you're going to produce an inferior product.

So for me, a bad video is a symptom of a larger problem, and it's a bad, bad sign in my book.

Now for us, if someone posts videos and asks for suggestions and isn't trying to sell something, it's a whole other ballgame.

See what I mean?

Also, before someone points out that I don't have video posted of the Fetz dog, there are pictures galore of him on this site ( and Ed has been kind enough to use a few pics of myself and Fetz in the DVD's area, a real honor for me ).
Plus about a hundred forum members have seen him in action at the various Leerburg seminars, and he's usually been a crowd favorite ( in that scary Fetz manner )

I agree wih with Will, if someone is just asking and not selling that's cool, but this guy... oh man. Even some of us that aren't experts can tell it is not protection!

Now Will, for some of us that haven't seen a real protection dog in action it'd be awesome if someone posted a video, I mean pictures are cool, but a video, wow!!! *salivating*

enrique

 Quote: enrique muniz

Now Will, for some of us that haven't seen a real protection dog in action it'd be awesome if someone posted a video, I mean pictures are cool, but a video, wow!!! *salivating*

enrique

Oh boy! Do I second that!

GIGANTIC "HINT!"

What about the "the dog should attack the hand with the weapon"? I've read other posts, I think from Wil or Ed where they say this a no-no.

enrique