Quote: carolyn litwhile

I am not sure what would make you jump to the conclusion that she doesn't know how to sit from a down. Kayla is 1 1/2, we started her training at three months old and at a year finish basic obedience and passed the CGC test.

I didn't "jump" to a conclusion, I came to a conclusion based on what you posted. You didn't preface your post with the above detail. How was I to know that?

If you didn't like my post, that's fine, but no need to be rude to someone who was trying to help you.

Sandy, I "jumped" to the same conclusion as you and wondered if the dog wasn't totally sure of the command.

Sitting from a stand, and sitting from a down, are two totally different exercises for a dog.

Based on the OP's response, I guess the dog has done this exercise and knew how to do it.

A comment about a long line got me thinking and I was wondering if anyone used a extremely long line (like 50' or even 100') on their dog while out playing with them in the yard, if they don't have good recall. I know it will get caught on things and be a pain, but at least then she would have the ability to run after toys and work out some of her energy. I use a 15' line, but that just doesn't leave enough room to really run, just as she is getting going I have to slow her down so she doesn't hit the end too hard. I still plan on working on her recall, but would this be a good compromise in the meanwhile?

I again don't understand why people would assume that just because I am new to remote collar training that I can't understand the different between Kayla truely knowing a command and just not always choosing to listen and not actually 100% knowing the command and what is expected of her. These are things we have been working for quite awhile and with treats she is 100%. We previously worked on them at class under distractions, but I am going back to no distraction to start with while getting adjusted to the remote collar correction. Kayla is very good at determining my ability to follow through on the command given and when she thinks there won't be a correction she tends to do her own thing. This is why I wanted to use the remote collar, so I can give needed corrections from farther away and without holding onto her leash. She can stand there looking at you and not do the asked command and the second you go to grab the leash do whatever you had asked. Does that sound like a dog that doesn't understand the command or one who just pushes you all the time and is trying to fight your leadership? I obviously think it is the latter, but feel free to voice other opinions and I will try and have an open mind about it.

no longer than a 30 keep him close sounds like the dog is working you lol does your dog have a good prey drive? if so mix some double ball in with your training

 Quote: Carolyn Litwhile

I again don't understand why people would assume that just because I am new to remote collar training that I can't understand the different between Kayla truely knowing a command and just not always choosing to listen and not actually 100% knowing the command and what is expected of her.

I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly don't know you well enough to come to that assumption. That would definitely be making an assumption. You've only made 10 posts total here. Why would anyone know this about you? Like I said, you didn't preface your question with any of the information you gave afterwards.

No, you are probably correct and you know your dog best. The problem is, it is sometimes hard to communicate over the Internet - no one on here has seen or interacted with your dog except you. We can only go by what you typed. People on here do like to try and cover all bases and make sure all questions have been answered so they can give proper advice. Based on your description, without knowing you or your dog, it seemed like it was possible that your dog didn't know the command 100%, so of course we are going to address that - just in case.

It's not personal. We are only trying to help. For some reason you think we are accusing you of being a bad dog trainer - which I can assure you, we aren't. We aren't "assuming" that you "can't understand the different between Kayla truely knowing the command" - on the contrary, we are assuming nothing - you could be a professional dog trainer or a complete newbie for all we know - which is why you got the advice you did. If certain advice doesn't fit, please elaborate, don't exasperate.

Exactly what Angela said. Beautifully said, Angela, thanks.

Sandy I do apoligize for sounding rude. It is hard to give a full background on a board like this without writing a novel. I guess I just thought that although there are small key points that I am missing in this remote collar training that there are also large key point which are spelled out very well in the video and it would be hard for anyone to watch it and not realize that the dog must fully understand the command being asked before you would correction them with the stim. My issue from my first post was that the stim wasn't being associated as a correction, and therefore was a big distraction to Kayla and caused her to lose all focus on the command. How do I get her to not be so distracted by the stim and realize it is a correction. I plan to work more on using "no" followed by a prong correction (of course only if she doesn't respond to the no) (and which she is familiar with and responds to) for awhile and that might help her associate the stim after a "no" as a correction better. I have been using the no, but will make sure it is used more and thus become clearer to her (I did think that was clear, but wouldn't hurt to work on it more before using the remote collar again and make sure she completely understand it).

Disclaimer: I don't even own an e-collar.

However, I did like Peggy Bayer's suggestion of using a flat collar and giving a light leash pop at the same time as the nick. (Not a prong collar). She says it worked for her dog who was having the same issue.

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 Quote: Carolyn Litwhile

I again don't understand why people would assume that just because I am new to remote collar training that I can't understand the different between Kayla truely knowing a command and just not always choosing to listen and not actually 100% knowing the command and what is expected of her.

I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly don't know you well enough to come to that assumption. That would definitely be making an assumption. You've only made 10 posts total here. Why would anyone know this about you? Like I said, you didn't preface your question with any of the information you gave afterwards.

Carolyn, I apologize...I somehow missed the post with the information you gave afterwords. It did sound like your dog was just confused based on what you wrote in your original post. Sorry about that.

And giving corrections too early in the training process does seem like a common mistake that new handlers make. I apologize for assuming you were a new handler!

Just trying to help; no offense meant by anyone, IMO!