Re: Best guard and protection breeds
[Re: steve strom ]
#171804 - 12/30/2007 02:23 PM |
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I´m from Croatia.Here I can get good rottweilers(with IPO3 and SCH3),cane corso(from Italy),beauceron(from France,and it is one really good breeder here,he imports france beaucerons)....
How´s about inteligence and ability to learn,are all of that breeds similar...are they all intelligence and can learn same things if properly(I saw some german shepherds that are really inteligence...)?
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Re: Best guard and protection breeds
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#171809 - 12/30/2007 03:13 PM |
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What exactly is it you are looking for? You talk about KNPV, and now you are talking about Molloser breeds?
You won't get very far in KNPV with a Rottie.
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Re: Best guard and protection breeds
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#171811 - 12/30/2007 03:20 PM |
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I know that I won´t go very far in KNPV with rott,but I was talking with trainers in that KNPV club and I decide(with their help)that I will buy some of bigger(molloser)breed and I will do with him IPO and personal protection(in real situations)!
So I looking for bigger dog(like rott,cane corso,beauceron...)who has good drives(if it is possible,like malinois)!
Vedran
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Re: Best guard and protection breeds
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#171849 - 12/30/2007 05:39 PM |
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Concerning Canies (Cane Corso) - if bred in the US and indeed also some dogs from other countries including Italy are known for being a bit "off" - it isn't the breed itself, it is what happened to the breed when it left Italy. Originally the Cane is a very intense dog and very aloof, when it came down to "marketing" the breed they watered down the temperament by breeding softer, weaker dogs that would appeal to a wider array of people. Canies were a huge interest of mine for many years but with how overbred they are in the US I decided to go with the American Bulldog as I could not afford to import a puppy from Italy and was unwilling to get a pup sight unseen.
My recommendations would be for an American Bulldog of working/hog lines. Ambulls can be huge and some breeders produce enormous dogs but the best working size is between 75-95 for males and 65-80 for females, they are very drivey, intense, naturally protective and often civil. Unless you get an overly bully or giant Ambull they are very athletic and easily clear 6' Though I will say they are not as intense as a mal they can still buzz an vibrate with intensity but they actually have an off button
Here is a page showing a working Ambull, it is actually the stud I am hoping to get a pup by later this year. Just an example of athleticism. http://www.norcalsbulldogs.com/Malospage.html
They also have a nice female Mal at that kennel and on her page they somewhat compare their ambulls with the mal.
I like Mals, I personally think it is one of the best breeds, from what I've seen, read, and heard, for Police and Personal Protection, but I don't generally recommend them on the basis that a lot of people would be pulling their hair out.. or what was left that the mal hadn't already gotten to. Most people couldn't handle one, and with the OP showing interest in the Molloser type dogs I'd say either an American Bulldog or a Cane Corso. But make sure you are getting the Cane from a trustworthy source out of proven dogs, and same for the American Bulldog. As with any breed there are a lot of watery bloodlines around.
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Re: Best guard and protection breeds
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#171871 - 12/30/2007 07:17 PM |
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I have an 11 month old Boerboel - and she's awesome. Big, athletic and can run down my GSD. I'm very impressed by her. She is also naturally protective and is already starting to show protection of the home and kids. She's awesome with the family. I really can't say enough good things about the ability and personality of the Boerboels. HOWEVER!! I don't think she could ever do ScH, and I'm not sure that she could ever really be a PPD in true form - but that's IMO only.
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Re: Best guard and protection breeds
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#171945 - 12/31/2007 04:32 AM |
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The problem with Mal's is that if you have a GOOD one, most people can't handle them.
The problem with Mal's is the same problem that other breeds face. People breed what they can handle, so now crap is being bred. What people think a Mal is, and what a Mal should be, are 2 entirely seperate things.
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Re: Best guard and protection breeds
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#171950 - 12/31/2007 07:32 AM |
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You are sooooo right Mike. You and I spoke before. It's taking everything I got to deal with this Dutchie of mine. What a handful. Dogs are supposed to sleep as much as 18 hours a day. This guy of mine rarely sleeps during the day and he is ready to rock at 4AM. I work him with the Chuckit 3 to 4 times a day plus training and he will still sit there and bark at me wanting more. I probably shouldn't be doing the Chuckit that often because he is still a pup. But there is lots of soft snow on the ground to act as cushion. The energy I'm seeing at 7 months is unbelievable. Then he starts tugging on my clothes and biting me for no apparent reason. I've been using DD and Ecollars since he was 4 months old. I had to give up family and friends and I can't work anymore. Just kind of kidding. Not a dog for the average person!
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Re: Best guard and protection breeds
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#172174 - 12/31/2007 09:48 PM |
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thats what jump out at me too. Needs a dog that can hold his own? Vedran, You want this dog to protect you from.....other dogs? Is this animal to be a pet/companion or a straight ahead home guardian? Or is he for fun and games on the street corner?
Pointed questions to be sure, but the answers will help us decide, at least in our minds, a good match.
Randy
Good Questions
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Re: Best guard and protection breeds
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#172213 - 01/01/2008 06:47 AM |
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Hello,
I want dog who will be able to to protect himself from some agressive dogs,I will do everything to protect my dog from that agressive dogs but if it comes to fight,he must be able to protect himself.
Then,I want pet/companion dog who will be home and family guardian but I will also do with him protection work(an maybe IPO)!
I can get cane corso from italy with 100% perfect italian bloodline.
I also can get rottweiler wich parents have IPO3 Sch3.
I´m close to France so I can get beauceron.
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Re: Best guard and protection breeds
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#172251 - 01/01/2008 12:26 PM |
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Hi Vedran,
Do those aggressive dogs live near you and are they left loose? If that is the case, then you need to also think about how you can arm yourself to protect your new dog. Either with a heavy stick, bears mace or something that can drive the dogs away from yours. Unless you buy an adult dog, a puppy had a lot of growing to do before he/she will be capable of defending itself. Also, a dog may do pretty well at defending itself against one dog as long as you jump in there as quickly as possible to intercede, but if two or more gang up on it then you may have a seriously injured animal.
As dog owners it is our responsibility to protect our dogs from attack to the best of our ability. Since you already know you have some problem dogs in your area, maybe you can meet with their owners and discuss your concerns on the danger their dogs may pose to any dog you should happen to get, especially if they allow their dogs to run loose. It would be nice for you to have that situation under control before your dog arrives, then you can concentrate on enjoying and training your new dog to be the guarding companion you want. JMHO
OH, and if was me, I like each of the breeds you mentioned. But I'm like a kid in the candy store and would want one of each
Good Luck,
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