Quote: michael hubert

im sorry connie oh, if you take a criminal out of society, because he commited a crime and put him in jail ,does that mean he will never commit another crime??? when he gets out.

That's just it, and what you apparently don't get. SOME dogs will NEVER get out. It's that or euthanized. They cannot ever be maintained without massive boundaries.
Have YOU ever worked with a single, TRUE aggressive case? Your responses make it seem that the answer is NO.

 Quote: michael hubert

im sorry connie oh, if you take a criminal out of society, because he commited a crime and put him in jail ,does that mean he will never commit another crime??? when he gets out.

The impetus of criminal behavior in humans, vs aggressive behavior in dogs, are completely unrelated.

 Quote: cameron feathers

Not all aggression can be trained out, I'm sorry but no. Most can, but there are some dogs that will NEVER overcome it due to past training, exposures (like pit fighting) or genetics.
Now, I do a LOT with rehabbing pitbulls used to fight other dogs, and I am a huge advocate that many can be re-trained. But not ALL of them can be. At that point, maintenance is a must, thus isolating for safety reasons.

Cameron, were you replying to me? I didn't say anything about training out aggression. Or did you just happen to "reply to" and it was my post?

 Quote: michael hubert

im sorry connie oh, if you take a criminal out of society, because he commited a crime and put him in jail ,does that mean he will never commit another crime??? when he gets out.

We're talking dogs here, not humans....didn't you just post about not humanizing dogs today in a different post?

Keeping a dog under control is a pretty basic concept in my book. There are fines in place for loose dogs or dogs off leash, so why would the concept of keeping a dog isolating from a trigger for aggression be so difficult?
It's a basic idea, and one that can be put into action with some life-style modifications on the owners part.
Problem contained, everyone's happy, end of story.

So Michael. How do you solve dog aggression?

How do you train a dog not to be aggressive, who has say, attacked it's owner?

Say my dog has attacked and bit me severely, when I tried to put it into a down. What now?

Very interesting! It's amaizing how my question about pound puppies turned to my disobedient, out of control chow (which is not the case). Thank you Janice for setting things straight. Maybe I've just been inactive too long.

What is also interesting is the vast opinions of how to control an aggressive dog. I've been told by many reputable people here about the isolation and it works. Thanks to the poster who pointed this out also. One thing I like about this site is when someone gives bad advice it does not go un-noticed.

As to my actual question, the whole (aggressive dogs are weeded out) makes sense. Many people have said dogs do not show appreciation. Is that not similar to showing joy or excitement? I'm asking because I don't know, not being a wise guy. If they don't appreciate a better life, how do they learn that isolation for bad behavior is inappropriate and in time change their behavior? Like I said, this is not killing me, just a thought we had about rescued dogs. Then again, when you get a puppy you really don't know what your getting whereas when you get an older dog, they are already themselves. Any more thoughts (about the question)?

 Quote: janice jarman

Cameron, were you replying to me? I didn't say anything about training out aggression. Or did you just happen to "reply to" and it was my post?

I just hit reply to, and posted. If it was specific to you (like now) I have learned by MANY nasty grams from the evil Connie to do it in quotes like above^^^^

Sorry for the confusion

 Quote: Cameron Feathers

If it was specific to you (like now) I have learned by MANY nasty grams from the evil Connie to do it in quotes like above

Yeah, and I'd like to say that I don't appreciate other Big Meanies stealing my Big Meany thunder.

Maybe it's just the word appreciate doesnt apply. Maybe it's just the clarity of whats expected of him or her and knowing what to expect from you that brings out the dogs good side. No confusion or conflict.

Cameron,
No problem. The biggest part of my post was an answer to the original question, which is, basically (not a quote) do rescues make better pets because they are grateful to you for their improved circumstances while a dog from a breeder never has known a lack of anything? If that's wrong, Eric, please let me know.