 Re: TATP and HMTD Training Aids Now Available!
[Re: David C.Frost ]
#242135 - 06/01/2009 04:03 PM |
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A question though, has ATF, TSA, or Secret Service had an opportunity to test your products?
Many thanks for clarifying what you meant. Unfortunately, the ATF will not touch anything that is not the "real thing." TSA does their training out of Lackland and so they loosely abide by Lackland doctrines. I understand that the Secret Service are open to new ideas, but i have no chased for any contacts there yet.
There are now quite a few inert products for trainers to use, each of its own set of merits. Really and truly however, I believe though that a broader understanding of odors, its training and detection, by all worthiers, is more important than a product, as it will help those in the field to make optimised decisions, even in product selection and deployment. This is what those trainers and handlers on the streets need, while the suits continue with their protocol definition and all the other things they love to do.
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Re: TATP and HMTD Training Aids Now Available!
[Re: David Adebimpe ]
#242170 - 06/01/2009 08:00 PM |
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A question though, has ATF, TSA, or Secret Service had an opportunity to test your products?
Unfortunately, the ATF will not touch anything that is not the "real thing." TSA does their training out of Lackland and so they loosely abide by Lackland doctrines. I understand that the Secret Service are open to new ideas,
It's interesting, the three largest users/trainers of explosives detectors won't give it a try. Have you approached Land warfare Laboratory in Aberdeen. They have a few researchers that may be interested. Maybe they are currently aware of it if the Navy is using it. Unless the Navy opened their own school arent' their dogs also trained at Lackland? I was the Superintendent of the DOD Dog School for several years, as well as the program manager for the FAA program. In fact, I was also part of the instructor cadre that trained the first FAA dogs. They went to LAX, actually there were six, two went to LAX, two went to Cleveland and two went to Philly.
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Re: TATP and HMTD Training Aids Now Available!
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#247345 - 07/19/2009 11:34 AM |
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I just recently went to an FBI training on TATP. My k9 has never been on actually TATP but has been on ScentLogix TATP. I can tell you that my k9 alerted the first go around on the blocks with 1 gram of TATP being used. Know where it gets interesting is when the other dogs that where there, we went to training the next day and they got protocol on the TATP that the FBI had and only one k9 out of 8 missed it when they sat out the ScentLogix training aid. But we all agreed that the k9 didn’t pick up the odor when they protocol it.
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#247351 - 07/19/2009 12:52 PM |
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Protocol, for those that don't know what that means, it is talking your dog into indicating. Aaaugh!
A pet peeve of mine that has leaked into common usage in the detector dog world and in regards to the occasional access to TATP the Feds provide does more harm than good. Just my opinion, but my guys are aware that it will set me off if I see them doing this.
A good argument for the use of a parent or surrogate odor when the substances we are working with are so hard to access.
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#247354 - 07/19/2009 01:17 PM |
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Protocol, for those that don't know what that means, it is talking your dog into indicating.
And I've always thought protocol meant a detailed plan or method of doing something.
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Re: TATP and HMTD Training Aids Now Available!
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#247355 - 07/19/2009 01:43 PM |
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Dictionary definition is certainly that.
I am trying to remember the behaviorists term for using that approach to train, amazing that it does have some efficacy, but is fraught with other problems.
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Re: TATP and HMTD Training Aids Now Available!
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#247356 - 07/19/2009 02:27 PM |
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David, are you still actively involved in your training programs?
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Re: TATP and HMTD Training Aids Now Available!
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#247358 - 07/19/2009 02:36 PM |
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Great news Austin! Could you please tell me how many K9's went on the FBI's TATP first time around and how many K9's alerted during this first round?
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[Re: David Adebimpe ]
#247374 - 07/19/2009 06:30 PM |
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David, are you still actively involved in your training programs?
Yes, 44 dog program. A mixture of drug, explosives and dual purpose. Well at least they are still paying me twice a month. ha ha.
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#247375 - 07/19/2009 06:34 PM |
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Kevin, I have a training protocol, but it's just a document that outlines the training steps. It makes good copy for court. It outlines the dog selection and the steps to certification. I also have a training protocol for handlers. Again, it's just a document that outlines the learning steps to the final product relative handler skills. It's primarily an administrative tool.
Is the word you're looking for "criterion" or "criterion based"?
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