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Isn't it highly unlikely for a vaccinated dog to get parvo?

That is absolutly not true.

Jason is right.

I had an entire litter of 10 GSD pups come down with parvo, after they had all been vaccinated.

That was the last litter I ever vaccinated for anything.

The problem with vaccinations in puppies is that you are rolling the dice. Puppies typically have maternal antibodies to disease for 12-16 weeks or longer. Most vets vaccinate puppies much earlier than that, usually at 7 or 8 weeks.

A couple of things can happen. The vaccine can not "take" (which is why vets recommend multiple puppy vaccines) The vaccine can actually interfere with maternal antibodies, virtually leaving the pup unprotected AND stressing the system by introducing all that junk in the vaccines into the body. I have a big problem with injecting a dog with something that he would naturally contract through via the air or by physically contacting something. When you inject this stuff into a living thing, it bypasses all the body's natural defenses like skin and mucous membranes. No wonder so many puppies and kids feel like crap after being vaccinated. Their whole system is under assault.

Rabies is the only disease that is actually contracted in a manner that's similar to an injection( through the form or a bite or saliva that gets into an opening in the skin) The rabies vaccine, unfortunately is the one that causes the most damage to an animal... but that's another topic.

I would highly recommend the books Vaccine Guide for Dogs and Cats (I give this to all my puppy buyers) and Shock to the System. they can be found here http://leerburg.com/books.htm

Another thing...giving shots 2 weeks apart supresses the immune system instead of stimulating it.

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"Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies and kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 months) will provide lifetime immunity."srdogs.com

That book http://leerburg.com/977.htm , the writing/research of Jean Dodds and of Christie Keith (Caber Feidh) were the sources that really clarified for me the (lack of) science behind the drug-manufacturers' mandated protocols -- particularly the annual revax based-on-nothing-at-all regimen.

Connie (or others please weigh in),

Hambone is going in for his rabies vax in February. With being on thyroid meds only since October and his age, I am concerned about the plethora of vaccinations I used to have given to him. (I wish I had known more of this...hindsight)

If one must vaccinate, my statement and question is: I know some on this board give something to their dogs (if they vax) prior to and after the procedure to minimize reactions. Is it An immune booster? (I tried a search but couldn't find that nugget in the many posts I read).

(I didn't start a new thread because I felt the answer might be more available to a search if it were included in this topic.)

I love this thread and plan to review it more prior to taking "Bubba" in for his vax's.

Jo,

It's milk thistle. What I've read is to give them one to two caps a day, for a week.

Also, I've recently read some things about being careful when giving oral meds to dogs to make sure they drink something afterwards. The recommendation is to bait the water if necessary.

The reason is to try to ensure that the caps or tabs don't start to dissolve in the esophagus. I hate it when that happens to me<G>...and over time, I guess it can cause problems for dogs, too.

leih

Thank you, Leih.

I will pick up some at the health food store.
(This is one that " I " think would be safer to ppurchase from the natural food store than WalMart.) I will research dosage on line and at the store for his size.

I will give him some 3-4 days prior to his visit, and 1 week post.

Dogs that are being treated for thyroid issues SHOULD NOT be vaccinated for anything.

This includes rabies.

Vaccines are only to be given to healthy dogs and a dog that is hypo or hyper thyroid is NOT healthy.

I would run screaming from a vet's office , if they even suggested vaccinating a dog on thyroid medication. In my opinion, vaccines are one of the leading contributors to thyroid problems in the first place.

See...This is a GREAT topic. I didn't know he shouldn't since he is on meds and levels are good.

Hmm...so I need to talk to Doc about getting a waiver? I need to check Indiana law...sigh.

Thanks Cindy for the heads up. I need to do more research into Indiana law and see what I can do. I will ask about titers for and see what happens.

If your dog has been over-vaccinated, why would you get him a rabies shot again? Do a titer if they absolutely make you...or do what I do, and tell the county he's dead. They must wonder what I keep doing to kill all my dogs.

Jenni,
Because it's the law and I don't ( didn't ) know that much about titers, etc until I read this thread today. I ask questions because I am concerned. I will ask about the titer.

As to rabies: There is always a chance of attacks by coyotes while we walk. Is there rabies in Indiana? I don't know. BUT, how horrible for him if he weren't vaccinated and contracted rabies. Again, I am leaning toward titers.

I am trying very hard to do my best for him, learn from him, and take that knowledge to the next dog I own so that he or she will be healthier and better trained.

I do like the answers and questions you give me because even though I "hackle" at times, you do force me think, think, and re-think. Thank you.


(PS LOVE the "bear").