 Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
[Re: Ana Kozlowsky ]
#263911 - 01/31/2010 02:09 PM |
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Ana, that sounds like very good news! Did he give you specific recommendations in addition to working on the down and leave it commands?
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Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#263921 - 01/31/2010 03:49 PM |
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What do you mean by specific recommendations?
He said he always prefers to redirect before the dog gets into high drive, acting aggressively and needs a correction. With dogs like this he wants to have a 100% down because it gives the dog no chance to act in an inappropriate manner. Also, nagging ineffective corrections on my part create more stress for Suzie than if she gets corrected several times and learns to obey in critical situations rather than blow me off whenever she feels like it.
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Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
[Re: Ana Kozlowsky ]
#263930 - 01/31/2010 05:26 PM |
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What do you mean by specific recommendations
Bad terminology on my part. What I was trying to ask was, did he give you a 'lesson', so to speak, to work on, between sessions?
I like the redirecting suggestion. Re the long down, best to start in an area with no distractions, and once she's solid on that, you can work the distractions in. This can be done with marker training also. (JMO)
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Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
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#263939 - 01/31/2010 06:10 PM |
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He wants us to do 10 sets of 'down' a day with Suzie. I am a bit confused now because he does things a little different than I read about on this website. It does not seem too different though - he marks every successful command: "good down" - "yes" - jackpot. I was under impression that even with marker training there is correction phase after distraction phase when the dog knows exactly what is required.
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Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
[Re: Ana Kozlowsky ]
#263941 - 01/31/2010 06:22 PM |
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I was under impression that even with marker training there is correction phase after distraction phase when the dog knows exactly what is required.
It depends on who you talk to. There are plenty of pure positive trainers out there, as well as those who do corrections. There are also some dogs who don't handle even slight corrections well. You might try asking the trainer about this to see which school of thought he's following.
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Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
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#263943 - 01/31/2010 06:29 PM |
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I was under impression that even with marker training there is correction phase after distraction phase when the dog knows exactly what is required.
It depends on who you talk to. There are plenty of pure positive trainers out there, as well as those who do corrections. There are also some dogs who don't handle even slight corrections well. You might try asking the trainer about this to see which school of thought he's following.
And meanwhile I probably wouldn't be worrying too much about it because of not even having started the distraction/venue-proofing.  I do a lot of distraction-proofing (on every command) before I consider the dog to be maybe in need of a correction.
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Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
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This may not be relevant but I noticed that Monty was getting excited and scratching in his crate. Is it possible that he may be bringing out dominance and insecurity in the other dogs? I know that sometimes the dog who displays an insecurity may be reacting badly to another dogs "energy" for lack of a better word.
btw, I am impressed with how much work and focus you have put into training your dogs. I know that it is hard to get total control of a pack when you are doing everthing right, and there is still something missing. Im not saying this is always it, but I had trouble gaining control over one of my strong willed dogs- I had to change my attitude and not be uncertain of myself in the least, stay upbeat and determined, even if I made mistakes along the way.
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Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
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#263953 - 01/31/2010 07:16 PM |
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I realized that we didn't do any distraction training to speak of so far. I hope very much that if we put enough time into this all 3 of the dogs will do perfect 'down' next Saturday and there won't be any need for corrections. The trainer was also very *happy* every time Suzie did something right. They had the biggest happiest party when she did her first good down. I shall be more excited with her.
Monty definitely has anxiety issues that the trainer commented on. He approved of the plan to leave him for very short periods of time very often, return, ignore, treat, repeat, gradually increasing the period of time when he is left alone. In addition to that he is also trying to play dominant, which we do not allow. He's got the same 'down' prescription with lots of luring till he learns the command.
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Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
[Re: Ana Kozlowsky ]
#264001 - 02/01/2010 08:40 AM |
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I realized that we didn't do any distraction training to speak of so far. I hope very much that if we put enough time into this all 3 of the dogs will do perfect 'down' next Saturday and there won't be any need for corrections. The trainer was also very *happy* every time Suzie did something right. They had the biggest happiest party when she did her first good down. I shall be more excited with her.
Ana,
It sounds like you may be creating a lot of performance anxiety for yourself and your dogs.
Try not to put a time frame on things...any progress forward is great! You'll get there when you get there...each dog is an individual and makes progress at its own pace.
And, yes, have fun and make it a party for you and your dogs! Dogs respond to our own energy and emotions...they will read your concern if that is what you're feeling when you work with them.
As far as needing corrections after one week of this training...I wouldn't worry about it. It takes many, many repetitions, then adding the distractions, before you'll get to the correction phase, if ever. The more fun you make it for yourself and the dogs, as opposed to feeling like you're working towards some kind of test and deadline, the more progress you'll make.
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Re: Aggressive dog in a multiple dogs household
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#264430 - 02/05/2010 07:28 PM |
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Something very strange happened today with Suzie.
We have been practicing 'down' since Saturday and doing many short but intense tug and fetch sessions, no corrections. Today I was stroking her after a session and suddenly she rolled over on her back. She has *never* done that since we got her in 10/2008, never even allowed anybody to touch her stomach. Did I put too much pressure on her by all these commands and rules?
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