Hell NO, I wouldn't muzzle her on a tie-out! Sorry, taking a breath here. Ahh, that's better! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I wouldn't even have her on a tie out. Can you not build her a kennel run, or crate her inside the house? Those would be much safer, and more secure, and a heck of a lot less frustrating for the dog!

So....please clarify. Does that mean you are moving to the country? Or are you still in the city? Aren't there by-laws against free roaming dogs in your area?

Will you have enough $$$ to build a kennel/run with doghouse so she has some protection from these free roaming dogs? Chaining her up is NOT a good idea. It leaves her with no choice but to fight if another dog comes on her property, no protection and no escape. Can't you keep her in the house in a crate like L Swanston suggested?

Tied up all day with no idea when another dog is coming and no security is no way to live.

Yeah, I was being stupid. No, I will not muzzle her. I think I would have thought that one out after a few minutes of further thought. I guess that it was 'the going nuts' part I am trying to get around. It is hard for me to divide the concept in my brain that is is good with me and awful with other animals. Denile.

Full Fence or Chain??
How can I conrect her when she is inside the inclosure and I will be on the outside?? (Bark)

I will be returning back to the woods. This is why we will have a hard time. Everyelse has social dogs...free roaming.

I used to have a problem with my farmer neighbours 2 free roaming GSDs coming in my yard in the country and harrassing my kennelled dogs and being very aggressive with me when I was outside. I purchased an electric fencer and put up 4 strands of electric fencing spaced about 8 inces apart around the perimetre of the yard. After the neighbours dogs hit that a couple of times they kept out of my yard and never even came near the place again. I didn't feel a bit guilty about resorting to this as I felt I shouldn't have to defend myself and my dogs from the threats of other peoples crappy dogs in my own yard.

I would consider putting up hot wire or fencing around your property or home to keep the other free roaming dogs away. I would keep your dog inside the house unless there is compelling reason not to. Often, it's easier for a dog to develop the proper relationship with their human if living under the human's roof, by the human's rules, rather than having their own space that they can stake claim to. Of course, that also depends upon the human's proper treatment/training of the dog.
If you choose to build a kennel run, which in my opinion, would be the safest outdoor containment for your dog, one way to stop excessive barking would be by using a no-bark collar. Reasonable barking, i.e., alerting you to the presence of strangers or potentially harmful wildlife and free roaming dogs, should not, in my opinion, be corrected. Instead, it should be acknowledged, as in, I hear you barking at that stranger, thank you for alerting me, now be quiet. Excessive barking is barking for no reason, other than boredom or anxiety, or continuing to bark after you have told them to be quiet. If that is the case, then it's important to look at why it is the dog is bored or anxious, or does not respect your quiet command, and try to remedy that.
Any time a dog makes a noise, s/he is communicating. Even excessive barkers are communicating something. If that thing can be modified to reduce or eliminate the barking, then that's the direction I would go first.

Vince answered the question.

Its Captain Correction time. E-collar would be the way to go. Contact Lou, he seems to like talking about using them. (Notice the 1500 word posts. LOL)

Mieta--

I want to add a little thing here that's helped me in dealing with dog aggression. I'm paraphrasing Ed, but the quote is pretty close:

"The dog learns that HELL HATH NO FURY like Ed after the Leave It! command."

Last two dogs I've trained were a dominant male who had it in only for other dominant males, and now a female who had a major attitude problem when any other dog approached.

In both cases--prong on at all times during walks or training sessions in the park. Another dog starts to set my dog off--"Leave it!" Wait a second or so to allow the dog to assume the correct behavior. If the dog doesn't--issue a correction by turning away from the dog and yanking the dog right off the ground. I mean it has to be HARD and it is going to make the dog yelp like the world is coming to an end.

One of these types of corrections appears to have cured my female for life. The boy dog took a few more of them, but he was a complete butthead with an enormous tolerance for stiff corrections (I hope to never work such a handler-hard dog again). He did get the picture after awhile.

That's what worked for me. I would agree with VanCamp that if this fails you, the e-collar is your only remaining option.

PS--some dogs (usually males but not always) are going to come up the leash at you if you give them a correction like that. I'm assuming that you know your dog and that rank is not an issue. But if it is--be forewarned.

Pete Felknor

I have a situation with behavior in the same vein, but, just the opposite direction, my dog is submissive. As a puppy she seemed good, confident, but, I had a next door neighbor who had 2 older-stronger dogs, and they played allot together because the neighbor just loved it. I also thought it was fun for the dog and great exercise, but, often they dominated her, I had no idea this could be harmful, now she seems to greet all dogs with tail tucked. Specifically (how do I socialize), can I socialize the dog through this and overcome it? Step by step, how would I do it?

A note on prong collar. As I mentioned earlier, I attempted the prong collar for 3-4 months and found that it only caused my female do become more aggressive and attack the lead towards the end. As I would yank, and cause yelping, she would only become more intent on turning towards the other dog and showing even more aggression (baring teeth, snarling). My second dog behavior person watch this and commented that she was worsening because of this. We went back to standard collar and more command redirection work. She now can focus on me. (I wrote this earlier, I believe.)

Unless I am wrong here, I believe that the prong is not best for this dog. But, I have only worked with one dog using the prong collar....I feel that she is doing better without. I have rolled her in the past. I haven't had to do it in years.

Would her being penned outside make her more nervous or not?? Who can give me more thoughts on kenneling??? I never HAD to kennel for behavior/aggression reasons...

And Scott, about your submissive puppy. I can't tell you a thing because of my dog. I hope that you don't mind if I move your sub-topic and give it a thread of it's own...Thanks