I don't really want to confuse how difficult figuring out peds for the GSD is, but it does become very muddled because of the hodge podge of the mid to late fifties through the sixties and the final splintering in the mid 70's of 'the working crew' and the 'show crew'. That's twenty or twenty five years of mixing the two branches and perhaps more, because the working line group didn't really get any steam ahead until the late eighties.
Today I'd think one would be hard pressed to find any dog that didn't have more then a few VA's in it's ped and if one didn't I'd bet those titles have been been redacted from the record.
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For me it was all the Vs, the linebreeding on Arminius & Wienerau names that says showline to me. Also the coloring & look of the dogs speaks showline to me also.
As far as the SchH titles: almost any 1/2 way decent GSDs (non American lines) can get a title under the 'right' circumstances: their own field, own decoy etc etc. That in & of itself only means so much unless its a BS title & it is not likely that you will see a showling dog there. SchH is a whole different game there.
Also the coloring & look of the dogs speaks showline to me also.
Absolutely. No doubt when I look at Falcon (knowing what I know now...) he screams showline. I had forgotten the "Vs" but when Betty mentioned that, it came right back. I'm hoping to learn how to better read a pedigree WITHOUT the benefit of seeing the dog to understand what I'm seeing.
Weinerau dogs were bred into damned near every West German line at a point. Backing the Weinerau dogs were very nice working lines, that were then bred into show lines.
There are absolutely pet quality dogs that come from workinglines. Often in the past, those dogs ended up contributing to show line pedigrees. Nowadays, those dogs end up in nice pet homes, which is a win/win for everyone.
Barbara, I was just re-reading this thread and trying to practice looking at different pedigrees... And noticed your reply to me re: 'getting you'.
Your reply did crack me up, a lot, but honestly Falcon's was the first I really looked at and was expecting the page to be all formal. What I was seeing was pop ups, that threw me off. So my apologies for alarming you and for my easy distractability!
Thx for all the input thus far, back to practicing familiarity...
Barbara, I was just re-reading this thread and trying to practice looking at different pedigrees... And noticed your reply to me re: 'getting you'.
Your reply did crack me up, a lot, but honestly Falcon's was the first I really looked at and was expecting the page to be all formal. What I was seeing was pop ups, that threw me off. So my apologies for alarming you and for my easy distractability!
Thx for all the input thus far, back to practicing familiarity...
How funny! When you posted that comment I honestly thought "oh my gosh, did I accidentally attach something weird????" And then I started worrying (while trying to get to the link)...They are NOT going to believe me when I say I was NOT looking at women in bikinis!!! LOL!
So, I'm looking at these two dog dad's that I have and am trying to make sense out of this whole thing. I would assume a pedigree is a pediagree regardless of work vs show line. It is simply parent's and their accomplishments and the kennel that owns them and back the line of the family tree.
So we have the parent's names, kennel and titles. What exactily are you looking for on this layout? The title the parent's and back have received and the names of the kennels for the research. Assuming you are looking for a working dog or even show dog you would want the family tree to all have succeeded in titling. I remember a thread somewhere along the line mentioning line breeding, where do you see that on this form or is that coming from the kennel website and tracing all their dogs pedigrees? Does it matter if the pedigree goes back four generations or eight?
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