Betty Landercasp wrote 10/08/2011 12:38 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: Mara Jessup ] #346506 - 10/08/2011 12:38 PM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	I am so very sorry that the euthanasia went badly, sometimes it does, especially in the very old or the very fearful. It's awful to watch, but know it is just a phase passed thru on the way to deep anaesthesia, conciousness is gone when howling and gasping begin. Barbiturates sometimes do this, we don't know why. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/08/2011 02:37 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #346513 - 10/08/2011 02:37 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Betty Landercasp It's awful to watch, but know it is just a phase passed thru on the way to deep anaesthesia, conciousness is gone when howling and gasping begin. I had one react similarly. It was obvious to me from her eyes that she was no longer in there when that reaction happened. It was her body reacting. But the important thing is that you did what needed to be done for the dog. I've said this before and I know I will say it again, because it has shaped my POV about end-stage disease and quality of life: I have waited too long before. I feel guilty about that, and I probably always will. I am never ever going to second-guess myself about whether I might have acted a little prematurely, though. This to me is what true empathy is: making the decision with no regard for my own anguish, considering only the dog's needs. This is what a loving, caring pack leader does, IMHO.
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Betty Waldron wrote 10/08/2011 02:42 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #346514 - 10/08/2011 02:42 PM
Betty Waldron Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2002 Posts: 2679 Loc: North Florida (Live Oak area) Offline	As horrible as it is I have never regretted making the decision to early, I have regretted with all my heart waiting too late. Betty (Waldron) Mathena http://www.littlerivercanine.com
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tracey holden wrote 10/08/2011 03:34 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #346519 - 10/08/2011 03:34 PM
tracey holden Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2010 Posts: 1442 Loc: UK Offline	I have to say the vet was fantastic, she and the nurse stayed with us the whole time and explained everything as it happened, and she gave us both a big hug as we left, we have always had a geat relationship with our vet with all our dogs, I consider ourselves very fortunate as I know some of our friends have not had such genuine and sympathetic relationships as ours, and I made a point of sending them a card to thank them, not all vets are hardened to the euthanazing or the reactions they get from the clients, and I wanted them to know that.
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tracey holden wrote 10/08/2011 03:51 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #346520 - 10/08/2011 03:51 PM
tracey holden Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2010 Posts: 1442 Loc: UK Offline	My father most certainly left it WAY too late with 2 of our ancient Boxers, I can still remember the anguish in both the dogs eyes as they succumbed to end stage cancer, he just couldn't bare to let them go, and I got him to admit that finally in his 80th year, I know he regrets it, but more sad than that from my point is, he didn't stay with them at the end, that I have never come to terms with; I don't want add to his guilt at his time of life, because he does mention it, and often, I don't need to add to the guilt because he will take it to his grave with him. We all are morally obliged to give our dogs a happy life, and as peaceful death as possible.
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john axe wrote 10/08/2011 04:49 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: tracey holden ] #346527 - 10/08/2011 04:49 PM
john axe Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2011 Posts: 330 Loc: IL. Offline	Nathan was very good dog i seen him in trials when Bill Kula owned him. back in his day he was tough. I couldn't believe Bill sold him.
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Betty Landercasp wrote 10/08/2011 04:59 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: john axe ] #346528 - 10/08/2011 04:59 PM
Betty Landercasp Webboard User Reg: 11-30-2009 Posts: 3724 Loc: minnesota Offline	I do not believe an owner should feel that they have to stay as a dog is euthanized. For some people, it is really just too much. http://s922.photobucket.com/albums/ad67/Grasvaly/
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tracey holden wrote 10/08/2011 05:11 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: Mara Jessup ] #346530 - 10/08/2011 05:11 PM
tracey holden Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2010 Posts: 1442 Loc: UK Offline	"Death wasn't easy, but for Harry it it was the only relief from a life that becoming filled with more and more torment by the day. Jamie took that torment on himself so his friend could have peace". That sums it up perfectly for me, that is what he has done, unwittingly, but yes, thats it, you nailed it Mara.
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tracey holden wrote 10/08/2011 05:21 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: Betty Landercasp ] #346531 - 10/08/2011 05:21 PM
tracey holden Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2010 Posts: 1442 Loc: UK Offline	I do take your point Betty, and I totally understand why some people can't do it - it can be brutal and is a picture your mind cannot erase, but Rocky and Jody were so old and spent every minute with my Dad, they were devoted to him, and purely from my point of view was it was the least he could do, but he simply could not bare the final few minutes, I just wish someone along side the vet had been with them, I was forbidden to go with them, I was deigned too young and he saw it as unsuitable for me to be there, as I have got to be an adult, I wish I had had the courage to face my dad down and be with them.
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john axe wrote 10/08/2011 05:25 PM Re: Harry keeps visiting my son in his dreams... [Re: tracey holden ] #346532 - 10/08/2011 05:25 PM
john axe Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2011 Posts: 330 Loc: IL. Offline	I always stay with them.it the least i can do. on the other hand it doesn't bother me. they get the best of care. when the vet say's it's time.
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