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[Re: Jeffrey Hill ]
#375724 - 03/25/2013 04:04 PM |
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I think the initial bite on a new person is in prey. When said person does more than just slip the sleeve, she feels pressured. She realizes he wants to fight, she's inexperienced and lacks confidence and does not want to engage.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
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#375725 - 03/25/2013 04:07 PM |
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
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#375726 - 03/25/2013 04:24 PM |
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Just to clarify, this dog is from home protection, not competition. given the crime rate in our neighborhood, the dog is a real asset, but if not properly trained, then a huge liability
For what its worth, I'd retink the whole defensive-suspicious thing, be happy she's friendly and count on her barking being a deterrent.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Jeffrey Hill ]
#375730 - 03/25/2013 04:41 PM |
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This dog has no idea what's expected of it and it sounds like the trainer has no idea how to work the dog.
I'm with Steve on his above post. The dog may not be cut out for any sort of bite work.
As to training for ppd, MOST of the ppd "trainers" I've seen are limited to a "beat em till they bite" mentality.
As happy and friendly as the dog is, this type of defense training can make a neurotic mess out of the dog by the time it's "taught" to bite.
If you seriously NEED a ppd dog then you need a dog that can alert and and give you time to get to a gun. In other words an alert dog.
At this dog's age if it doesn't have a natural defense by now it's not going to get it. "Training" it to be defensive will wreck it!
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
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#375731 - 03/25/2013 04:52 PM |
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Hey Jeffrey, replace boredom with the word avoidance. At this time, she can't handle more pressure. But really, you're incorrectly trying to describe something you've never seen, so I think theres really nothing you can gain from trying to guess whats going on with her. .... http://www.schutzhundvillage.com/arminhome.html ... For what its worth, I'd retink the whole defensive-suspicious thing, be happy she's friendly and count on her barking being a deterrent.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
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#375732 - 03/25/2013 04:51 PM |
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I guess I was typing while Bob was, and his post is SO much better than mine was going to be:
This dog has no idea what's expected of it and it sounds like the trainer has no idea how to work the dog.
I'm with Steve on his above post. The dog may not be cut out for any sort of bite work.
As to training for ppd, MOST of the ppd "trainers" I've seen are limited to a "beat em till they bite" mentality.
As happy and friendly as the dog is, this type of defense training can make a neurotic mess out of the dog by the time it's "taught" to bite.
If you seriously NEED a ppd dog then you need a dog that can alert and and give you time to get to a gun. In other words an alert dog.
At this dog's age if it doesn't have a natural defense by now it's not going to get it. "Training" it to be defensive will wreck it!
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
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#375738 - 03/25/2013 05:47 PM |
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Unfortunately from the sound of it, she may not be the best PP prospect. But I do think she has not had even close to the foundation I'd do, and with someone who doesn't know what he's doing. It sounds like he can't read a dog.
If she's social I would keep her that way. With poor defense work, and too soon, you're going to end up with a fear biter. Let her do things that make her feel confident.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
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#375744 - 03/25/2013 07:35 PM |
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This thread, along with what our two trainers have been telling me, really gave me a better understanding of why the trainers are doing the things they're doing. Taking it slow to make sure the foundation is done right.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
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#375748 - 03/25/2013 08:40 PM |
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Could you make a video?
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
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#375752 - 03/26/2013 10:26 AM |
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In reading back through other threads this dog does NOT belong on a bite field!
It doesn't sound like anything but pushing the dog into defense and I believe from reading all the other posts that this dog will be wrecked if it continues.
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