 Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
[Re: Brianah Maloney ]
#389539 - 03/16/2014 08:34 PM |
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I know my weimaraner would rock in ringsport.
Could you elaborate? In all phases? Are you familiar with the obedience in the protection phase? Does he have the focus to be sharp in the obedience phase?
FWIW, I think you would learn a lot in a ringsport club. However, you would have to be pragmatic enough to accept people being skeptical until your dog proved himself.
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Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
[Re: Brianah Maloney ]
#389540 - 03/16/2014 11:07 PM |
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Three girls and one boy. They have all been to the gun range with me, even the 8 yr old boy who is the youngest.
Like anything else you have to practice, practice, practice....then have the mindset and confidence to use whatever you've learned.
THEN you have to realize that all the dog, self defense, gun training training in the world can go to crap in the real life situation. 
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Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
[Re: Jose Silva ]
#389546 - 03/17/2014 03:28 PM |
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Brianna, the truth is, if faced with a dangerous person...you DON'T KNOW before hand if they will be close or far away or what their intentions are. Best thing is be prepared to defend yourself...if you need to use a gun, then use it, if the moment reveals its best to punch them or to run away, DO THAT.
People sometimes harm themselves with not using a tool properly, be it a gun, automobile, knife, medication, drill or cell phone. The key is to be smarter than the equipment you are using and you'll be fine.
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Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
[Re: Jose Silva ]
#389548 - 03/17/2014 10:28 PM |
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"The key is to be smarter than the equipment you are using and you'll be fine."
YES. And NOT to rely on your pet dog to be your savior.
"I can send my dog into a room or area to make sure its clear before i step in."
I haver to say that no, my PET DOG is not something I toss ahead to clear the way.
I mean nothing personal at all ..... I just mean that this is is something I hear/read all the time, and to me, it's a lot of "not really thinking." I mean, not really thinking about what my role is, vis a vis a PET DOG, and also, what I can really (reliably) expect from ANY dog, PP-trained included.
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Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
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#389550 - 03/18/2014 01:30 PM |
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Hi again Kristin you are right thanks for the info on dutchies
thats what i thought about them also i always hear they are a bit nervous and that you need experience handling them so not the right dog for my wife lol
and yeah we are taking care of personal protection classes as i said i do know how to disarm a guy from my sambo training but honestly tons of stuff done by man in that regard would be very difficult to pull in a real situation by a woman and my wife is petit size so even harder lol
I dont think thats the solution to this will help of course but I would never expect her to be able to neutralize a big man so still a dog would be useful even if it is just a deterrent that would help
to keep some attackers away .
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Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
[Re: Brianah Maloney ]
#389551 - 03/18/2014 01:34 PM |
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Hi Brianah yeah Weimaraners are beautiful I love those gray ghosts!!!
I actually found a guy that has very nice Rhodesian ridgebacks imported from Africa, he said they are very good at protection because they keep the breed pure to the old standards but i dont know, I do like them, kind of similar looking to Weimaraners I think 
He does not have any trained for protection I think so is difficult to know if they would perform and I don't want to end up with a collection of dogs until I find the right one LOL.
Weims!!! I hate the breed. I also couldn't care less about how "beautiful" a dog i own is. Sure, MY weim is a very big exception. She is very different from every other weims i have met. She also isnt as tall, or supposedly as "pretty" as the others.
Theres also a guy near me who has imported roadies!
Hes a conformation guy though. So i don't talk too much with him. We just don't have too much to chat about. And our conversations are very quiet. 
A LOT of people say there dogs would be a great protection dog. Then they set up a "break in" or "fake assault" and the dogs are easily overwhelmed by the moment.
BUTTTT luckily a lot of robbers don't want to take that gamble. So just having a dog barking is a decent deterrent.
Do you hoard dogs?! Can i come join you?
Hi yeah that what I always hear that its difficult to find a dog that would react in a real situation that why I started to look at bandogs they are trying to breed a dog just for that but who knows whats going to happen in that regard .
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Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
[Re: Brianah Maloney ]
#389552 - 03/18/2014 01:44 PM |
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Ditto on the conceal carry!
I had a really nice Wiemaraner back in the 70s. he was as much a guard dog as he was a good bird dog.
I also earned a black Belt in Tae kwon Do back in the early 70s in addition to many specialized self defense classes.
Brianah
I'd be curious about how you would "take down armed and grown men" if that man was 8-10 ft away when he pulled the trigger.
Access to 1911 is a much faster response then 911 in particular since I'm just a nice old granpa now.
Back in the 70s? :O
My mother has her black belt in that too! Isnt that neat?!
Ten feet away? A gun may be help in that situation.
IF you had a chance to take it off safety... and aim... and shoot... Its much harder than it sounds. 
But like i have been taught, and personal experience, MOST of the time especially with women, your going to get up close and personal with the "bad guy". With women most of the time its sexual assault. That doesn't occur at a distance.
What is this? Shooting a woman like that at a distance.
Unless your dealing with somebody confident with a gun, they are gonna get as close to you as possible.
You know a dog really is pretty neat too. I can send my dog into a room or area to make sure its clear before i step in.
Theres nothing like a dog
Loads of people have been shot or killed with own gun 
Anyways, im ranting.
You have grandkids? Boys? girls?
I agree, in a real situation in a close distance attack the best way to protect yourself would be a fast deployment karambit or some kind of fast deployment knife and a dog that will bite on command, together they can be very effective in short range, a gun is not good and also shooting on the street would may bring you more problems so just a fast cut in close combat a bite from the dog and i think anyone will think twice about what he is doing, enough time to run away i think, if someone is shooting on the street you would rather go away than engage them, you would stay away from that .
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Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
[Re: Duane Hull ]
#389588 - 03/19/2014 03:50 PM |
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I know my weimaraner would rock in ringsport.
Could you elaborate? In all phases? Are you familiar with the obedience in the protection phase? Does he have the focus to be sharp in the obedience phase?
FWIW, I think you would learn a lot in a ringsport club. However, you would have to be pragmatic enough to accept people being skeptical until your dog proved himself.
Yes. Im sure.
Not that it matters.
Seriously, i think your taking it a bit far.
My dog, she is 13 years now.
We are doing nosework now, and custom made beds to help ease arthritic pain.
You make it seem like obedience is that tough? Am i missing something?
The obedience is the fun part if the dog is trained correctly, loads of dogs can handle it.
I see fellow pet dogs doing things that require just as much time, drive, patience, to accomplish.
Handstands, climbing on ropes and riding bikes. Yes, human bicycles. XD
A fellow trainer that worked for a working dog facility told me many years ago that my dog would be a nice ringsport pup, if she had a different upbringing, she wouldn't have any of the issues she had then. Too bad.
The "working clubs" seem to be filled with "different" sort of people. That are not off yapping about whos dog makes them what sort of handler.
I have NEVER had any negative social experiences within any working dog facility, or schutzhund group.
Isnt that weird?
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Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
[Re: Jose Silva ]
#389589 - 03/19/2014 03:59 PM |
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Taking it too far? The OP was about off-breeds in protection work and sport. I was hoping you would explain how your dog would rock at ringsport. I was hoping for a real evaluation of your dog and at least some sense of your understanding of the requirements. "My dog would rock at ringsport" sounded a bit impetuous, but I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. However, your response kind of blew me off, so I guess we won't be having the discussion that I hoped for.
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Re: Bandog the solution to protection dogs?
[Re: Jose Silva ]
#389590 - 03/19/2014 04:04 PM |
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FWIW, for the sake of other newcomers, there is a huge difference between a dog being able to do obedience and a dog complying with obedience commands when he is in an elevated state of fight drive.
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