everytime i have corrected my dog ,i am 100percent sure that she knows that command..so its not the issue

As Connie says, if a dog refuses a command that the trainer thinks is solid, the trainer is wrong.

The dog does not want to work for you. My dog loves to work for me, he's handler hard and I don't correct him for every missed command, I give a negative marker and give him a chance to try again.

To be blunt, why do you think your training so effective that an older puppy has any command 100% proofed?

 Quote: Tracy Collins

And you're talking about breeding her.

I just--I don't even have the words.

My thoughts exactly, Tracy.

I shudder at the thought of how much long term mental/emotional damage you could inflict on a litter of puppies with your 'methods'.

Your dog is not handler aggressive...she afraid of you....you have created that!!! She deserves so much better than that from her owner.

My male is HA & if I continued to do to him what you are doing over & over to your dog, that is in no way HA, I would have been badly hurt. You don't correct a dog for YOUR ERRORS! You don't nag corrections. One & you are done...end of story. But you better make sure that the dog deserves that correction. If not you just become a bully & destroy you bond with your dog.

A trainer/owner wants their dogs to be thrilled & excited beyond belief to work with them & learn new things....not cringe at the thought of having to be with you & follow commands.

No owner or dog is perfect. No training time goes perfect each time. Dogs & owners can have off days. Frustration of either the trainer or the dog due to repeated commands that are well known & not followed etc etc...is a clue that things are off. Those are the days that you just put up the training & just play with & enjoy your dog. No one gets anything out of those kinds of training sessions....it just creates future problems.

Dogs can be very forgiving....if you work hard to win back her trust you may be rewarded with it again....if you have truly earned it & deserve it.

If you are not willing to do that...then do the dog a last kindness & find her a new home where she will be loved and appreciated & her trust in her owner rewarded.

i agree with all the points in your post anne , particularly the last paragraph .


asit , it is possible to get past this but you are going to have to work pretty damn hard on doing the right things . . . that's the good news .

the bad news is . . . that dog will never forget that you are capable of treating her that way , and she'll know it is coming long before you do .




and just to add : on / off topic . . . forget about the breeding ; neither you nor the dog can handle it .

 Quote: asit kumar bhattacharya

everytime i have corrected my dog ,i am 100percent sure that she knows that command..so its not the issue

Asit, this dog is obviously under lot of stress brought on by harsh corrections and probably a good deal of poor genetics.
No matter how well you "think" the dog 100% knows the exercise that stress will shut down it's ability to process any command you give it.
As others have said, the dog needs to get away from harsh training and just have fun for a while. HOPEFULLY it can re-learn that you aren't the bad guy it now sees in you.
If the dog "knows better" then why else would it not obey the exercise knowing it will be harshly corrected? Stress!

Quote Max von Stephanitz
Let the trainer examine himself when the dog makes a mistake or doesn't understand the exercise, or fails in obedience and let him ask himself "Where am I at fault?"

Also to re-iterate what Bob said:

 Quote: asit kumar bhattacharya

i know i have done some bad corrections on her with a prong collar previously while i was working with her for obedience ,it was really hard and bad way ,sometimes i had became so bullies ,she was around 8months on that time but when i noticed her that whenever i am goin near her to give a correction she becomes terrorize ,hits the belly in ground with ears back and tries to nip me when i try to lift the drag line from the ground or if i try to grab her collar

You also know that you have put her under a tremendous amount of stress.


This is encouraging though:

 Quote: asit kumar bhattacharya

but i am confident that i will rectify my faults and mistakes to make her feel comfortable..i jst have to give her more time with happy face and marker in good behaviours and i will do that bcuz only we really have a awsm bonding with each other but i made few mistakes in which she is lil confused abt me, will solve that any way

Your question:

 Quote: asit kumar bhattacharya

i am tryin to make her comfortale with me in home too...but the thing i need to know is .what should i do if she suddenly growls or try to nip me again? should i let her alone in that moment?

With a dog this stressed you're going to need to provide the most up-beat, positive atmosphere you can. And that doesn't mean running around hugging her and telling her you love her.

Let her be a dog. Go about your daily business, not ignoring but letting her have her space. Feed her and enjoy a good walk together. Flat collar, no expectations. Or if you have an area to let her off leash, let her explore. No drill sergeant routine. Enjoy her and let her "feel" how much you love her.

Don't put her under the stress of these other people either.

It sounds like she adores your parents though. Watch what they are doing or not doing.

You may feel that they are not displaying leadership skills but good leaders have followers. She wants nothing to do with you right now. That's not leadership. She adores your parents, they would be able to lead her. Learn from them right now.

Give her a rest for a few weeks. Don't put her in a situation where she's going to growl or feel the need to defend herself. If she does, you've done something wrong. Go and contemplate it, don't beat up on her and don't do it again.

Once she settles down you can start over again with straight marker training.

You must not put this poor dog into the defensive position you have been putting her in.

As others have said, bullying a dog is NOT leadership.




Perfect quote from Bob (perfect for every single dog owner):

Quote Max von Stephanitz :

Let the trainer examine himself when the dog makes a mistake or doesn't understand the exercise, or fails in obedience, and let him ask himself "Where am I at fault?"






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 Quote: asit kumar bhattacharya

everytime i have corrected my dog ,i am 100percent sure that she knows that command..so its not the issue

I wish I could count the number of times an owner has said that to me .,.... COMPLETELY in error. I'd put big money on "Yes, it IS the issue. It's virtually always the issue."

"Knowing" a command in a different place, or "knowing" a command when it's given in a new way, in a new order, under new circumstances, or "knowing" a command under any kind of distraction (including distance or venue) is COMPLETELY different from "knowing" it as taught in one way in one place with small (or no) distraction.

I promise you that a dog who "knew" it in one special place and now does not, has been completely confused and/or overwhelmed by un-proofed distraction/distance/venue (I look at distraction first).

Add in a boatload of unfair corrections, and you have created a dog whose chance of "knowing" commands is slim to see-through.

As Bob said, "No matter how well you "think" the dog 100% knows the exercise, that stress will shut down its ability to process any command you give it."






Bob brings this up because this is the precise situation where it applies:

Let the trainer examine himself when the dog makes a mistake or doesn't understand the exercise, or fails in obedience, and let him ask himself "Where am I at fault?"




Please, Asit, please listen to these experienced and knowledgeable people.

i dnt know what u guyz are talking about but i m so sure i treat her right the way even many more than u,and yes i do all the things what cj quoted ...she works for me happily, the only thing i have ruin is few mistakes of mine and its not that big how u guyz r thinking ,but thanx for all of ur quotes in here....i know how i train her with markers and when i associate correction ,m pretty confident but yeah this is true i have made few mistakes but i can fix it too on way.it was jst lack of my experience whn i started this but by now m much knowledged abt it...this not the only dog i have,i do have lots of dogs those who i train as a trainer and they r excellent doin on obedience and agility competetions..i dnt repeat the mistakes what i had with my dog,i still give corrections but they r perfectly fine...and about my dog i also have realized that my dog is lil weak nerve dog since she was puppy so i m pretty confident that i will solve it ,its much better even than earlier ,,,she s fine ...

 Quote: asit kumar bhattacharya

i dnt know what u guyz are talking about ,,,she s fine ...

You also said:

"i also have seen she is vry panic abt me like if i pet her or hold her in my arms her ears are back laying d ground nd growls

She has become fearful of me.

panic aggresion towards me

She sees me and panics. In her anxious state she bites.

it hapnd so many time nd evrytime i corrected her like i learn from the dvd dealing with a dominant and aggressive dog ,i hang her for few seconds nd she stops but hit d ground,

bt after doin that i m noticing she s so frightened abt me nd these days she dsnt feel comfortable with me"

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And we are saying that you have terrorized this dog. We are saying that you have work to do to regain her trust and your bond with her.

What part is it that you "dnt know what u guyz are talking about"?


When you say "everytime i have corrected my dog ,i am 100percent sure that she knows that command..so its not the issue," do you understand why we are saying you're wrong, and what the stress you've created does to the dog's ability to learn and focus?