Quote: Brianah Maloney

 Quote: Candi Campbell

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

Again, nothing is ARGUMENTATIVE. Just me BAFFLED. :O ?
How a post with
"Who said dog is reluctant to anything?....I keep OUR sanity by keeping her working MENTALLY, by training new tricks or sports that require less movement and more thought.. Though i have to say, she still in better condition than loads of the younger dogs i walk."

Can lead to an answer of "What problem do you think an ecollar is going to solve?......But a dog can have energy and still be hard of hearing or have cognitive issues or musculoskeletal pain. "

Sometimes it seems like people simply jump to utmost worst conclusion on every post. (not just mine, i have read forum)
I mean, when i find a poster post to be unclear, i simply ask them to explain the part i do not grasp, in a little more detail.
I do not jump to most hardcore conclusion.
If i feel somebody is being argumentative, i simply reread post, and think of how the poster is actually saying post.
Just because a poster is blunt, or loud, does not mean they are trying to start arguments.

Good GRIEF, Brianah:

1) An ELDERLY Dog who runs around like a young pup for long periods of time will typically get SORE and/or STIFF...

2) Make sure she has a Very SOFT & WARM Place to lie down when you need her To DO So...

3) Your dog Does NOT Know that over-doing exercise at her age often results in Uncomfortable Consequences, and that Cannot BE Explained to her...

4) It is YOUR JOB to realize the above and Act Accordingly...

5) Bottom Line: posters are more concerned with Your DOG'S Sensitivities than we are with your lack of communication skills.

Do not be concerned for the dog...I am happy you care enough to be concerned about my girly though.

Alrighty then, Brianah, "over & out"

 Quote: Cheri Grissom

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

....The vibration, or the sounds is often used between my friends as a signal for the recall....

....Yes. I plan on using collar as a new thing to add to our box of things we know. It may help me out one day, along with hand signals, should she ever truly lose the hearing...

....i would get a ecollar, but instead of vibration or sound being signal for recall, we would use it for "down".

If the dog loses her hearing or most of it, and you want to use the ecollar as a tool to help you communicate with her, you might want to reconsider teaching her that the vibration means "down." If you do that, then it means down, period. It's good for only one command. OTOH, if you teach her that the vibration from the collar means "look at me," then you have a dog that looks at you for further instructions which can be given in the form of a hand signal or a loudly spoken command. IOW, make the collar useful for communicating not just one thing but many things to her.

Thanks! I like that even better than down.
So. i just need to find out of its the dogtra or educator that i am buying.

off topic.. wait, this is my own thread? Does it count....Anyways off topic but connie used finger flashlights to get a deaf pugs attention not too long back? I am interested in teaching that also, BUT i could imagine my neurotic dog going after shiny lights...

You could pbly make a flyball box much, much cheaper than renting one.

Have you done flyball with this dog?

 Quote: Candi Campbell

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

 Quote: Candi Campbell

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

Again, nothing is ARGUMENTATIVE. Just me BAFFLED. :O ?
How a post with
"Who said dog is reluctant to anything?....I keep OUR sanity by keeping her working MENTALLY, by training new tricks or sports that require less movement and more thought.. Though i have to say, she still in better condition than loads of the younger dogs i walk."

Can lead to an answer of "What problem do you think an ecollar is going to solve?......But a dog can have energy and still be hard of hearing or have cognitive issues or musculoskeletal pain. "

Sometimes it seems like people simply jump to utmost worst conclusion on every post. (not just mine, i have read forum)
I mean, when i find a poster post to be unclear, i simply ask them to explain the part i do not grasp, in a little more detail.
I do not jump to most hardcore conclusion.
If i feel somebody is being argumentative, i simply reread post, and think of how the poster is actually saying post.
Just because a poster is blunt, or loud, does not mean they are trying to start arguments.

Good GRIEF, Brianah:

1) An ELDERLY Dog who runs around like a young pup for long periods of time will typically get SORE and/or STIFF...

2) Make sure she has a Very SOFT & WARM Place to lie down when you need her To DO So...

3) Your dog Does NOT Know that over-doing exercise at her age often results in Uncomfortable Consequences, and that Cannot BE Explained to her...

4) It is YOUR JOB to realize the above and Act Accordingly...

5) Bottom Line: posters are more concerned with Your DOG'S Sensitivities than we are with your lack of communication skills.

Do not be concerned for the dog...I am happy you care enough to be concerned about my girly though.

Alrighty then, Brianah, "over & out"

<3 Its nice to see people truly concerned about dogs! Dogs are awesome. If i though there was an old dog in a bad situation, i would ask questions myself.

 Quote: Duane Hull

You could pbly make a flyball box much, much cheaper than renting one.

Have you done flyball with this dog?

I get good deals because i harass all the dog people around here. ahah! No, more like i give them good deals when i dog sit their "special needs high drive dogs" (aka so neurotic that most dog sitters will bill triple), and they hook me up with things i need at times.

But making one just might be cheaper in long run! How do you?

My dog is a flyball freak of nature! (No, haha shes okay. She gets just a bit nippy when she all amped up. Its my fault for feeding her my arms while she waits for her run. ) Shes currently working on nosework. As it is so much easier on her physical body (and mine), yet it still drains enough of that "psycho dog energy" right out of her.

I Googled images of "flyball box" and saw lots of ideas. Some are complex, others look easier.

https://www.google.com/search?q=flyball+box&client=firefox-a&hs=idQ&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=92DRU7ORG8izyATVvYHgBQ&ved=0CCoQ7Ak&biw=1280&bih=895#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=bObAG4UUMIEYaM%253A%3BN_FZYNVzlJ0ufM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi7.photobucket.com%252Falbums%252Fy267%252Fstephconway%252FStuff%252FDSCF0670.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.bordercollie.org%252Fboards%252Findex.php%253Fshowtopic%253D3924%3B648%3B486
(url gets autocompleted with an emoticon in it... click on the image of a box under construction)

http://www.bordercollie.org/boards/index.php?showtopic=3924

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

I cant sleep. I have been thinking about getting an ecollar and using the page/vibration 2 = down. ... MY old dog isnt as sharp with hearing. ....

We are not at your house. We do not actually know you or your dogs.

When I read this, to me it said "I can't sleep because my old somewhat deaf dog won't lie down."

Even the title of the thread implied (to me) that you were looking for a solution to non-compliance (an old dog who doesn't want to lie down).

If Cheri had not made the next post, I'd have posted what she did.



Maybe it's better to re-read the O.P. before submitting it, and maybe avoid two or three pages of "Huh? Why do you people always think the worst?" and so on.

Maybe: "I was thinking about introducing my old girl to a vibrating pager since she's beginning to get a bit deaf." If you had said something like that, I betcha there'd have been no misunderstanding at all. (As you said, " If i thought there was an old dog in a bad situation, i would ask questions myself.")

(I've made posts that no one at all but myself understood the way I meant them. )




Anyway .....

I have an old Dogtra with vibrating pager function for one of my deaf dogs. (Since I use only the vibrating pager, most of the unit's functions are unneeded.)

LB has a nice comparison chart here: http://leerburg.com/electric-dog-collar-comparison-chart.htm

But again, there is so little required for the use you (and I) have in mind that only a couple of the checklist items really apply.




"Yes. I plan on using collar as a new thing to add to our box of things we know. It may help me out one day, along with hand signals, should she ever truly lose the hearing. .... I had been caught up between buying a collar with sound as a feature, or vibration as a feature."

This is a little confusing to me (using a sound pager for a deaf dog). Vibration would seem to be the obvious choice.




I myself did not teach that vibrate = down (or sit, or anything like that). I taught that vibrate = "look at me." Then I give a hand signal for the command. This opens up the use quite a bit. Looking ahead to increased deafness, I'd want the dog's attention so I could give any hand command I wanted to give. (Perfecting hand signals you have and adding to them sounds like a good thing to
work on. )

But I'm adding my vote against thinking of the e-collar as simply a novel thing to teach/learn, if for no other reason than this: It takes very little time to teach "look at me" with a pager. That is, I'm not really getting it as a a new tool against boredom.





PS
I wanted to add that the finger-lights were/are only for visibility, for a dog who is deaf and also becoming visually impaired .... that is, I never use any kind of laser or flashlight to point or to play. ( http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=34132&page=2#390283 ) I think all the regulars here know this, but it's always worth mentioning for the benefit of new readers.

Oops .... I see this was covered already:

"If the dog loses her hearing or most of it, and you want to use the ecollar as a tool to help you communicate with her, you might want to reconsider teaching her that the vibration means "down."

If you do that, then it means down, period. It's good for only one command.

OTOH, if you teach her that the vibration from the collar means "look at me," then you have a dog that looks at you for further instructions which can be given in the form of a hand signal or a loudly spoken command. IOW, make the collar useful for communicating not just one thing but many things to her." (from Cheri)

"I keep OUR sanity by keeping her working MENTALLY, by training new tricks or sports that require less movement and more thought.. "


I'm always looking for varying levels of games and tricks, too ..... for the senior (and the very senior) in the crowd here.

I have a mini einstein and the vibration is quite strong. My dog works at a 7 for the electric stim and the vibration is way too strong for him. Due to the design of the remote it turns in my hands and I can tell immediately if I hit the vibe button by mistake. I've debated desensitizing him to it.