Bob Scott wrote 03/19/2018 10:25 PM Re: This made me laugh [Re: tracey holden ] #405895 - 03/19/2018 10:25 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	True. When you hand reward try moving backwards away from the dog. That's somehing Ellis teaches and it keeps the dog's drive up buy the simple "chase" to get the reward. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 03/21/2018 05:17 AM Re: This made me laugh [Re: tracey holden ] #405904 - 03/21/2018 05:17 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Yes, I've learned this from Ellis and also Micke and Keating and i'm mostly following this. Sometimes I run away with the food in my hand, make them chase it with sudden turns and misses, also from M.E. I as well chain two or three exercises which they know well and feed after that combination. But sometimes I'm simply too lazy to run and then I toss.The tossed food in that situation doesn't come as a present, it comes after the away command, if they have followed it. I then think, the dogs should work, not I so much. Is this so wrong? “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Bob Scott wrote 03/21/2018 10:33 PM Re: This made me laugh [Re: tracey holden ] #405905 - 03/21/2018 10:33 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	If that's what works for you then don't do something that makes it tiring or boring for you. Training should be fun for the dog AND you. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Mike Arnold wrote 03/22/2018 06:07 AM Re: This made me laugh [Re: Bob Scott ] #405906 - 03/22/2018 06:07 AM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	Bob, How true. If it ain't fun for you, in some measure, it probably ain't a barrel of laughs for the dog. I have learned the hard way, over the years, that if I am not exuding a genuine enthusiasm when working with the dogs, the results are longer in the coming. If your training approach isn't a strategy you can enjoy or find a way to enjoy, you run the risk of communicating a less than enthusiastic vibe to the mutt. Far out. If you aren't happy, how can you expect the mutt to be? Need another mug of coffee. Mike Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Bob Scott wrote 03/22/2018 10:32 PM Re: This made me laugh [Re: tracey holden ] #405907 - 03/22/2018 10:32 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Well said Mike! As for "Need another mug of coffee". If I have more then one a day I turn into a hummingbird......on crack. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 03/23/2018 05:50 AM Re: This made me laugh [Re: tracey holden ] #405909 - 03/23/2018 05:50 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Thank you both! I do fully agree with you. But understand, I didn't say training is in such a situstion no fun for me, on the contrary. But as the dogs are quite a bit fitter than I, (believe it or not! :grin there happen such moments, where I feel a bit exhausted,, especially in this heat here. Not so much that I need to stop training. But I make it easier for me by running less and tossing a few times. All that without loosing fun. Just to take a bit of breath. Training/ playing- ~sessions are one of my greatest fun times of the day What I actually wanted to know: Is tossing so wrong? And why? Can you see there any technical training reason? The dogs don't loose their enthusiasm at all and for me it's a well-deserved break, but still fun watching those crazy creatures running. I stop my sessions as I was taught on the peak of ther prleasure, when I know they'd still love to continue. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Bob Scott wrote 03/24/2018 10:45 PM Re: This made me laugh [Re: tracey holden ] #405911 - 03/24/2018 10:45 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	I don't believe it's wrong if it works for you. it was just a suggestion concerning the birds but you answered that and you also answered our comments about having fun in the training. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 03/25/2018 05:22 AM Re: This made me laugh [Re: tracey holden ] #405913 - 03/25/2018 05:22 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Great fun! Also great fun + instructive having the possibility to be member of the webboard! “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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