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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41274 - 03/08/2002 01:00 AM |
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Vancamp does not need me to speak for him. I am usually a very laid back tolerant person. But when someone takes another board member to task because they are not happy with being questioned about kicking their dog, this is where I speak up. Having to stick ones foot up a dog's rear end on a regular basis clearly displays the problem with having 11 freakin' dogs living in their house together. In my opinion, it is borderline cruel to have this many dogs living together and expect them to not behave like a pack, ramming ones foot up their ass when one goes after another. What the hell would anyone expect. I know...I'm way out of character here. I'll take a chill now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> It IS a free country.
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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41275 - 03/08/2002 07:12 AM |
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Barbara,
Kicking a dog is not a correction. It is just abuse. Advocating it will not serve any good purpose for a new trainer trying to control a bad situation. And so far I have seen no one advocate it but you. Firm CORRECTIONS, yes, preventing the situation that causes the problem, yes, kicking the dog, NO!!!
11 dogs is a major pack that is a disaster waiting to happen if they are kept loose together. If you can do it fine, but I think it is more a case of luck than anything else. With solid working and/or dominant dogs you will have fights. Adovocating it is not responsible. I have operated multi dog housholds for many years and it is always a delicate balance, and when you get to a problem with the mix you are better off preventing the situation.
VanCamp, Chuck,
Does the term collector mean anything?
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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41276 - 03/08/2002 08:29 AM |
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Hey Butch, best I can tell from your original post is that the GSD is exerting some kind of food related territorial thing.
Simple solution and avoids any conflict over the food if this is the reason for the conflict is to feed each dog in it's own confined area and also where you give the food to each dog once they are secured in their respective areas. I suggest feeding them in Crates if you insist on keeping them together as a pack.
Dogs want to own a piece of property but it sounds to me they want to own your property. Get what I am saying. A dog will be very happy owning a Vari Kennel 500 or 700 where they do not have to share each others alpo.
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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41277 - 03/08/2002 09:07 AM |
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Kicking a dog is not a correction
Actually Richard, I agree with you.
But in our case, a kick in the ribs during what was going to be a serious altercation between two 90 lb dogs was not meant to be a "correction". It was meant as a distraction in order to let the platz command sink in...and that's how it fortunately worked.
Oh, I know, we were very lucky! These dogs could have turned on spouse or just ignored everything in their drive to get to each other! But the altercation had just begun, within a few feet of where spouse was standing, and one dog quickly gripped the other. With the 10 lb cockapoo, who was at the end of the driveway at the time, hauling tail to enter the frey, it was a reflex action and the most expediant thing to do under the circumstances! Thank goodness both large dogs knew the meaning of the platz command...ours better than daughter's dog, but even he went down a few seconds later.
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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41278 - 03/08/2002 09:08 AM |
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Nice posts guys. I wrote a not-so-nice response, but I decided to delete it because I was just saying the same things that I said earlier.
Collector, no kidding.
10 dogs in a small house, with problems that have been posted in other threads, and then buying a working line GSD pup? That dog is going to become the leader of your pack and they are going to eat you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I really doubt that dog will put up with being kicked like some of your other dogs would. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Real defensive aggression and rank is something that some working line dogs still have. You said something about lines to Leerburg produced dogs? Hmmmmmmmmmm.......
Is there a word that means stupid x1,000,000?
p.s. Dogma, this post is not directed at you. I think you know you screwed up and now you are taking measures to keep it from happening again. Don't kick your dogs, I think you got the point.
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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41279 - 03/08/2002 09:27 AM |
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Dogma,
The big problem with kicking a dog that is in drive for a fight is that you have a high likelyhood of the dog turning and nailing you. Everybody makes a mistake now and again, and there isn't always a good solution. The best thing to do is to prevent the situation all together. One thing I do is to watch the dogs carefully and seperate them and maintain the seperation as soon as I see a problem start to develop. This is where being able to read your dogs comes in to play. In almost every case there will be signals long before the fight actually breaks out.
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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41280 - 03/08/2002 09:31 AM |
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Don't kick your dogs, I think you got the point.
Ok Dad, it won't happen again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41281 - 03/08/2002 09:46 AM |
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I'm really messing up my rep, now I'm the "dad" of the board. I thought Richard was the only killjoy around here. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I wonder if the Fun Police are hiring? Do you know Richy? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41282 - 03/08/2002 12:03 PM |
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I agree, Richard. With my two, it's easy to tell when the bitch gets a hair up her a** and wants to start pushing the dog around. I have found that giving her a firm "NO", followed by redirection, at that early stage is the best prevention. Once it escalates to a certain point, there WILL be a fight. Better to nip it in the bud. Once it DOES escalate, however, it is easy to fall into the reflex response of reaching a hand or foot into the fray, or yelling at them. To make that less likely, it's important to have a plan, and rehearse it mentally every now and then. My plan, for example, is to grab the broomstick and shove it between them to break their concentration, then put them both in a ten minute downstay.
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Re: MALE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS FEMALE
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#41283 - 03/08/2002 03:10 PM |
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Listen, if you have a bunch of dogs and aggression breaks out and there is a child around who may get bitten then by all means do whatever it takes to stop the situation. My point is the solution is to not have 11 dogs living together... not throw them in a house and kick the shit out of the first dog that gets out of line. Nice posts Richard and JParker.
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