Lauren Woods wrote 02/13/2002 03:58 PM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46305 - 02/13/2002 03:58 PM
Lauren Woods Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2001 Posts: 850 Loc: Offline	Auster's pedigree is at http://www.tarheelweb.com/auster/auster You have to promise to not make fun of her registered name! We picked out her call name before we knew she was a D pup, and I thought the travelers' dictionary wouldn't have the infinitive case. As I said before, I really enjoy her for a show dog, but she just doesn't compare to the working lines I've had the pleasure of meeting. She's almost all show dog inside, just a little toned down on the outside. "Dog breeding must always be done by a dog lover, it can not be a profession." -Max v Stephanitz
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Nicole Lane wrote 02/13/2002 04:05 PM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46306 - 02/13/2002 04:05 PM
Nicole Lane Webboard User Reg: 07-12-2001 Posts: 105 Loc: Offline	What I don't understand is how these spooky show dogs even get their III titles. Something somewhere is broken when a dog can get his III title that everyone knows can't bite to save his life.
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Robert VanCamp wrote 02/13/2002 04:16 PM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46307 - 02/13/2002 04:16 PM
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001 Posts: 3916 Loc: Offline	Sport work is prey work, unless you have the experience to make it more and the dog with the genetics to be more. Prey drive is not lacking overall in the German Show lines, that is how they do it. There is not a single exercise in Schutzhund that can't be tought and completed only with prey drive. It would be easy to make it a little different or judge more harshly, but that would eliminate a lot of show dogs from getting titles. Before I get killed for these comments as well, let me say not all Schutzhund is this way and there are many experienced trainers and judges that know what to look for and train for in a real working dog.
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milt ebner wrote 02/13/2002 04:32 PM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46308 - 02/13/2002 04:32 PM
milt ebner Webboard User Reg: 07-18-2001 Posts: 369 Loc: Offline	Originally posted by Richard Cannon: I got a phone call last night from a friend of mine. Her 8 month old BRT puppy took out 2 guys yesterday afternoon. This is a dog out of some of the top show lines in Russia and the U.S. and is beautiful. The story is that my friend was at her sisters, who has been helping a couple of homeless gang types. The guys were in the back yard and the dog was let out with them. My friend went out and introduced the dog to the guys. Everything was just fine. She and the dog were playing. One of the guys slipped a hood on his sweat shirt over his head, snuck up behind her, and started waiving his arms around her head. The dog saw it and came across the yard and took him out. Didn't bite, just knocked him off his feet and back about 6 feet. The dog outed perfectlyand returned to the handler and did a perfect down stay. Of course his moron friend must not have believed it, so he did basicly the same thing to the same result.... . Where can I find 2 homeless hooded gang types? I want to test my dog.
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Richard Cannon wrote 02/13/2002 06:10 PM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46309 - 02/13/2002 06:10 PM
Richard Cannon Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2001 Posts: 1496 Loc: Offline	Milt, I don't know, you can't pay for that!!!! If you can't be a Good Example,then You'll just have to Serve as a Horrible Warning. Catherine Aird.
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Richard Cannon wrote 02/13/2002 06:12 PM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46310 - 02/13/2002 06:12 PM
Richard Cannon Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2001 Posts: 1496 Loc: Offline	Milt, I don't know. You can't pay for that!!! Anybody with a brain wouldn't be that dumb. If you can't be a Good Example,then You'll just have to Serve as a Horrible Warning. Catherine Aird.
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Lauren Woods wrote 02/13/2002 06:24 PM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46311 - 02/13/2002 06:24 PM
Lauren Woods Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2001 Posts: 850 Loc: Offline	If you live in Baltimore there's one on every corner after dark <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . "Dog breeding must always be done by a dog lover, it can not be a profession." -Max v Stephanitz
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Gordon Beyer wrote 02/13/2002 08:35 PM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46312 - 02/13/2002 08:35 PM
Gordon Beyer Webboard User Reg: 12-12-2001 Posts: 338 Loc: Offline	Richard does it again; just when my brain couldn't hurt any more than it already does. A working dog with a single Sg or V rating does not a show dog make as in the same vein, a single schIII does not make a show dog a working dog. There has to be consistency under different evaluators for each laurel to be considered an accomplishment in the true sense. Lanegirl, I'm sure your remark about show dogs is an over generalization and I am particularly sensitive ( say what you please about me but my dog.......) in this arena. Perhaps my dog was more exceptional than I thought. He was an Uran v. Wildsteiger-Land grandson, multiple SchIII v-14 (v- rated 6-8 x) in USA Sieger Schau under Peter Arth, KKL1a lbz, oh, and did I forget to mention his 72 felony assists? aprehensions. So much for me being able to take what I dish out, huh? OK VanCamp, let me have it! The tree of Freedom needs to be nurtured with the blood of Patriots and tyrants. Thomas Paine
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Richard Cannon wrote 02/13/2002 09:32 PM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46313 - 02/13/2002 09:32 PM
Richard Cannon Webboard User Reg: 07-17-2001 Posts: 1496 Loc: Offline	Gordon, Another reason I like NAPD. As titles increase you need multiple, increasing, qualifying scores to obtain the title. Which means that if the dog carries the title it has demonstrated the ability 1-3 times depending on the title. If you can't be a Good Example,then You'll just have to Serve as a Horrible Warning. Catherine Aird.
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Tonya Slack wrote 02/14/2002 10:44 AM Re: Re: all alone [Re: Richard Cannon ] #46314 - 02/14/2002 10:44 AM
Tonya Slack Webboard User Reg: 11-29-2001 Posts: 91 Loc: Offline	I think it would be great to be able to combine German show and working lines and think it is possible to come up with a dog that is balanced. It would take some very careful breeding especially in the first few generations. The next thing is that politics should take a back seat at shows and other competitions. Judges need to judge each dog fairly and by the same standards. A sch3 should mean the same thing weather a dog is working line or show line. JMO Home of SAR dog: Erk Vom Powell-Haus CGC, 3 year old male GSD Bayani vom Wildhaus, 10 month old female,co-owned with her breeder At the bridge, Ax CGC, male dalmatian http://www.geocities.com/lugnut514532000/index.html
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