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Originally posted by Scott W.:
Another thing. I know a good breeder who will take back dogs that customers can't keep or are not happy with. She had a great dog there that she took back from people that didn't even give the dog three weeks to settle in. Working dogs are not for the faint of heart.

It's nice to know I'm not the only one... I'm just a "low end" breeder, but there's certain of my pups I wont sell to just anyone, they need someone with experience. And there's certain of them I would rather see go to a family home setting. And then there is certain that I place with a GS rescue, on the provision that the pup be neutered/spayed. That's as close to culling as I get, there is some dogs that deserve to live, but never BREED. And *ALL* of them, I've made it clear that if there is any kind of problem bring him/her back.

I would be real interested in seeing what you-all consider to be a good sale contract. The one pup I did have come back, her owner left in tears (and is waiting for another pup) as there was terminal illness in the family and she didn't have time. Fortunately for me (who is like on disability) this was a kind hearted fair woman and we agreed on a compensation I could afford.

But this is the RARE human - so if anyone could point me to an "outline" of a good sale contract that could set clear boundaries for both me and my client I'd be very grateful.

Thanks in Advance
Bobbie

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P.S.

Thanks for the comlpliment Milt!

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Originally posted by Slowride:
And then there is certain that I place with a GS rescue, on the provision that the pup be neutered/spayed. That's as close to culling as I get, there is some dogs that deserve to live, but never BREED. And *ALL* of them, I've made it clear that if there is any kind of problem bring him/her back.

Bobbie What do you mean by this?? You place your pups with a rescue? I find it hard to believe they would agree without the sire and dam being spayed.

And if the breeders motives are questionable, I wonder how reliable their AKC papers are? Can any of you speak to that?

I will soon be looking for a working gsd pup. I have heard stories of breeders registering litters from dogs that were dead, etc. I don't want "fake" papers and a weak or questionable pup that is purported to be from excellent lines.

Am I mis-informed, paranoid or does this stuff actually happen?

Scott,

When I chose my GSD, I made a point to attend some training sessions that my breeder was involved with. I also got some references too. I know my breeder checked on me also. My point wasn't to see how good of a trainer he was, rather to see the pups parents, & talk with a few of the people that had an opportunity to actually work the mother.

It was a lot of work, but for me buying a dog is a big investment not only in money, but more importantly in time. I wanted to make sure everything was what I wanted, & promised. I was also prepared to walk away if I wasn't satisfied.

Gretta Welsh

Where did Slowride go?

I am going to have to be alot more clear about saying precisely what I mean!

First of all, I'm not a "breeder" in the professional sense and if somehow someone got that idea I humbly apologise. I've only had GSD's for 6 years, that isn't enuff experience. We have had only 3 litters in that time and are expecting a 4th. There's only 3 big dogs that live here.

When I said "place with breed rescue" I was generalizing, rather than go into specifics. I know someone here who is involved with that, as well as my vets, an old fashion country kind of vet that's been vetting about 40 years and knows ALOT of the community... I put notice with my vets when I had a pup to give away, the "rescue lady" a couple other folks that have an interest in the breed. The pup never left here till it's new human came to get her - in exchange for a check made out to my vet for the cost of her spaying.

I've only placed two pups in this way (out of the first litter we had), both painfully timid with a strong chance of growing up to be "fear biters". I wanted a solitary older guy for each - Doc found us just that. Only one referal from the rescue place, but those people had grand kids.

I might add, most of the folks that produce law enforcement or similar grade dogs are not GOOD breeders. That degree of dog comes from an EXCELLENT breeder.

I can tell from what I read that many of the people writing here are very experienced, trained and professional, which is why I worked up the nerve to finally join this board. If I'm going to learn I might as well learn from the best. I can understand, especially with bad press coming from the wrong dogs in the hands of the wrong people, why y'all might view a small time new comer with grave suspicion. I apreciate your concerns, as mine are the same as yours.

Always
Bobbie

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Originally posted by Scott:
And if the breeders motives are questionable, I wonder how reliable their AKC papers are? Can any of you speak to that?

I will soon be looking for a working gsd pup. I have heard stories of breeders registering litters from dogs that were dead, etc. I don't want "fake" papers and a weak or questionable pup that is purported to be from excellent lines.

Am I mis-informed, paranoid or does this stuff actually happen?

Hate to admit it Scott, but this kind of stuff DOES happen. It is becoming less common now that the AKC requires DNA samples for any dog that has sired over 6 litters (I believe) but there are crooks out there. I got taken to the cleaners on a doberman that was sold to me with a false pedigee and then later the dogs real papers ended up being pulled due to all kinds of falsifications. I was less than thrilled. I was new to dogs and the woman knew it. So it does happen.

This PP dog turned out to be less than even a pet. She would not have protected herself let alone me. She would run in circles non-stop. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Ask around. Talk to lots of people involved in your breed in your area. People will know if they are up to snuff if they have been around a while. If they are new to the area that doesn't mean that they are necessarily bad, but be careful in getting references. With working-line dogs get references of people they train with. Or of dogs that are actually working.

Better yet, just buy a dog from Ed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />