How about breeding a dog to to take care of the
dumb a--'s that are creating a bad name for all the Breeders and responsible dog owners.

Good cross would be Alligator and Rat terrier.
Any thoughts on this cross???

Well Mr.Crabtree,the cross you mention (alley cat or'n'd'ratderrier)is much more than those types are worthy.Unfortunately,the only cross they are worthy of should have them nailed to it; instead,
we'responsibles' shall bear burdens they bring to
advocates of any and all breed of canine.-epwinc. :rolleyes: http://easternpacificwolf@prodigy.net

That was deep.

The alligator/rat terrier cross should be used only for hunting the irresposiable dog breeders and owners. These people give everyone envolved within the K-9 community a bad name.

By no means should low life ever own a rare breed as this.

Joe Noble,

Thanks for your insightful and helpful post.

I tried to find a symbol to attach to this post but couldn't find a fist with the middle finger extended. ; )

Nothing about my post says I don't know anything about the Dogo Argentino. My question was directed to those who have successfully trained Dogo Argentino in Schutzhund. I was hoping that those who have trained multiple breeds, and then a Dogo Argentino, would be able to provide some experienced information that might be helpful.

Like a bird dog trainer used to Brittanies training his first English Pointer, and asking experienced EP people for some insight into the unique things the trainer might expect from his EP in field work, that he wouldn't have seen in his Brittanies. There aren't a lot of Dogo people in general, let alone many who successfully train in Schutzhund. Was hoping some of them might be posted here.

While every other person with a GSD in our area is a Schutzhund "expert", you do your work to find helpful advice and assistance from legitimately successful and knowledgeable people. There are a few helping me out, and their experience is limited to their breed of choice, GSDs. The intent was to gain some insight hopeful useful from someone both legitimately successful in Schutzhund, and with experience working Dogo.

Why the Dogo Argentino for Schutzhund and not another breed? I like almost all the breeds in the sport in general. The Dogo Argentino is my choice of breed even if I weren't pursuing Schutzhund. The dogs life and existance with me won't be limited strictly to sport protection.

What breed(s) do you own? Have you successfully trained them to titles in Schutzhund? Scores?
What experience do you have with Dogo Argentino? Can you provide some helpful information of any sort?

Thanks again, in advance,

Wayne Dibbley

Wayne,

I have a dogo canario(name change, not related to San fran incident).

I have meet several dogo argentino breeders from around the US due to my involvement in conformation shows. From our discussions and what I have observed. The dogo is extremely prey driven. Have to be to take down a boar or wild cat. Not that easily trained in obedience, dog was meant to function on his own not to pay attention to handler. Tracking should be easy due to hound in back ground and use as big game dog.

Several breeders in the US are using their stock to hunt boar and other game with. If your puppy is coming from this background you should be okay. Show background might be a different story.
Good luck.

Skipper

Skipper,

I have a show rescue with us now whose obedience is coming nicely. He is incredibly food motivated, reinforced, and socially driven. His background is shakey but would appear to be mostly show. He is strictly a pet and will not be protection trained, but will be worked in tracking and obedience for his sake and ours.

The puppy IS coming from a breeder who works his dogs a great deal on boar. Since the pup hasn't arrived yet, I can't very well comment on her motivations or drives, or even her trainability...anxious to see.

Thanks for your input.

Wayne Dibbley

Wayne, I have to hand it to you. You are ambitious and obvious, hungry to learn.

Seeing as I already know where you live and what part of your plans are for your big adventure into Dogo's and working Protection with a crack at Sch. I can only recommend to you. the only person in North America to do so, in History.

No disrespect for the trainers in the Windsor area but none over there have the practical experience with a Dogo. Keep in mind that your dog also did not get such a good start in life and had to be rescued.

His Name is Aaron Boringstein (sp joke between Aaron and I) aka Dogodad and he has the only Sch III Dogo in North America, perhaps the world. The dog is to my knowledge bred from within the States. I had a very small part in this dogs training but the fact is that Aaron did do it and with what by all accounts should not have happened being that the dog hunts on a regular basis, does movies and hangs with Aarons Kids and the new Mike Dog from Argentina. I understand that the dog also has a IPDL title for whatever that means. Check him out and pay attention to what he has to say about training a Dogo for Sch.

Another very in the Know person and working protection Dogos is a lady by the name Karolyn Harris. She worked an outstanding Dogo named Gator who attained a Ring II and had the dog not become ill with cancer would have been what would have been to this day the only Ring III in the world.

Jerry Cudahy

Jerry,

As you know, I'm digging for knowledge as for gold, in every "mine" I can find.

Thanks for your leads, I have e-mailed briefly with both Karolyn and Aaron, and will further, provided I don't annoy them with my questions and inexperience.

I am familiar with both their dogs and their accomplishments, and obviously impressed, and recognize they can if willing provide a wealth of knowledge.

Having done helper work with/for Sampons (was that training trial or both?), any other dogos? What unique attributes did you find with the dogos, that a newbie should pay attention to, especially when being guided and directed by those with primarily (only?) GSD experience?

I've contacted some others as per your recommendations, and so far haven't been able to make things gel...but am still working away.

I expect the pup in a couple of weeks, and so will begin garnering some practicle experience shortly!

Thanks again for all your help, and I hope you'll be able (willing?) to provide some insight one on one in the near future.

Again thanks, and all the best,

Wayne Dibbley

Wayne, when I got involved with Samson I maintained to Aaron that he did not need my direct involement. Not to forget that we are 6000 miles apart. At this point the dog was already a Two and my opinion was to Aaron that he simply did not need to "Import a Decoy or export a dog to the Decoy". He got as far as he did with a new breed to the sport of Sch just fine and only needed to revert to lets say training that befits a fighter. Aaron caught on to the Fighter Regement I prescribed like a duck to water. Aaron is a retired Pro Fighter himself so it was not hard to get that spirit kindled. We dealt with all the issues about getting over a small hump in the dogs training through e-mail. Imagine that, an Internet Sch III.

Jerry