 Re: "Do Not Pet" harnesses/vests - do they work?
[Re: Chris Duhon ]
#75593 - 06/03/2005 08:02 AM |
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Ik spreek geen engels, or if you prefer German, Ich spreche nicht englisch :P
Or you can make up some politically correct training that people won't give you crap about, like s&r, tracking etc. Or you can send him into a bark & hold n tell em "see why you shouldn't touch my dog?" lol.
Seriously though, I've only been asked once, I didn't wanna talk to them so I just yelled "tracking" at a distance n kept walking.
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Re: "Do Not Pet" harnesses/vests - do they work?
[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#75594 - 06/03/2005 08:35 AM |
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I would like to pass a warning about an incident that happened to me a couple of weeks ago. I got an email from a disabled female attorney that uses a service dog. She informed me that I had told someone on my web site (I could not find where) to have their dog wear a vest with a service dog patch to stop people from wanting to pet the dog.
According to this attorney it is a federal crime for someone to use a normal dog and claim that it's a service dog. This attorney had someone from some organization call my office to warn me about this (I never accepted the call but my secretary did)
So with this said I would advise people to use patches that say WORKING DOG - and not SERVICE DOG. We sell the a selection of the highest quality vests I have seen anywhere in the world. We also have the patches.
A WORKING DOG and a SERVICE DOG are two distinctly differant things and you will not get in toruble if you correctly label your dogs vest.
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[Re: Ed Frawley ]
#75595 - 06/03/2005 11:22 AM |
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Sadly, I lost all respect for the "service" dog title when they started to assign service dogs to people now who's major function is to be petted when the owner is feeling nervous. That's BS and unworthy of the "service" dog title and pretty much demeans the entire program. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
http://www.psychdog.org/tasks.html
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[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#75596 - 06/03/2005 11:36 AM |
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Are the dogs being used as a calming technique? Like for people with severe anxiety or what? I haven't heard of this, is this something new?
I can understand slow stroking thearapies and things of that nature in the realm of sensory intergration, but why would anyone ever need a dog for that purpose? A 49cent scrub brush has done the trick for years and years.
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[Re: Michael DeChellis ]
#75597 - 06/03/2005 12:00 PM |
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My point *exactly*.
It gets weirder....the dogs are supposedly trained to provide an "alert to aggressive driving" during a bi-polar episode.
And they would recognize "aggressive driving"....how? They're dogs! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
For depression, some of the descriptions of their job include:
"cuddle and kiss"
"hug"
"stay focused on handler"
"walk on a leash"
And that earns them the ability to be able to go into public places with a "service" dog vest on? Shheesh.....what a scam!
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[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#75598 - 06/03/2005 12:53 PM |
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From what I have read, when the person experiences the aggression "building up", a chemical is released by the human body that the dogs can detect and react to.
I read an article recently about a man who had heart problems and got a service dog that alerts him to possible heart attacks by detecting chemical changes his body releases. The dog gives him a few minutes warning so he can take meds to stabilize heart rate and blood pressure.
Well, one day the man was teaching a class and the dog started acting anxious, tugging on his leash towards a chair. The guy ignored the dog, thinking it saw something and was distracted, and sure enough minutes later he had a mild heart attack. He has since learned to listen to that dog!
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[Re: Kate Kolbeck ]
#75599 - 06/03/2005 01:22 PM |
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Kate - medications to "stabilize heart rate and blood pressure" would do *nothing* to prevent a heart attack, so the basis of that story was BS from a medical standpoint.
MI's ( myocardial infarctions, the medical term for a heart attack ) occur when an area of heart muscle fails to receive adequate perfusion of blood, usually from a blocked vessel. When people take Nitroglycerin, it acts to dilate the blood vessels and increase perfusion of blood to heart muscles - that's why it's a first line treatment for what's called unstable angina, which is the name for the classic type of chest pain in people with advance coronary artery disease.
Sorry, this is yet another example of a bogus use of "service" dogs with no factual basis in modern medicine to back up their use.
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[Re: Kate Kolbeck ]
#75600 - 06/03/2005 01:22 PM |
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From what I have read, when the person experiences the aggression "building up", a chemical is released by the human body that the dogs can detect and react to.
I wonder if my working dog can detect my "anti-social chemicals" being released and do a bark and hold when people want to pet him? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
So, if your car has signs on it and people STILL want to pet your dog and someone happens to get bit... are the signs on your car considered a disclaimer and some sort of liability protection in any way? "Yes, my dog bit them but I had signs warning of a dog and they were reaching inside my property..."
Would you have to change the wording from "working dog, do not pet" to "beware of dog" or "vehicle protected by canine"?
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[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#75601 - 06/03/2005 01:56 PM |
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Oh forgodsake, I mis-stated the appropriate meds given for heart attacks but the article was legit. It was a true story about rescued dogs and how they are trained to provide services for people.
I'm not the medical genius in my family and when my Mom and sisters get into all their medical terms, I spent more time trying to decipher what an "MI" is and would rather they just call it a "heart attack". I know they don't do it on purpose, it's second nature to them, but it gets irritating for those of us who understand medical conditions by their common, every day terminology. If they want to have a conversation with the general public, do it in terms that most of them will understand.
I wasn't aiming to be medically exact in my post, just trying to remember the general premise of what I read. Sorry to cast any shadow of doubt on the story.
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[Re: Kate Kolbeck ]
#75602 - 06/03/2005 02:11 PM |
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I'd like to read it if you have the link or let us know what newspaper. I'm convinced my Maggie can smell felons and jerks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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