When you get the drugs from the DEA, do they come bulk packaged or do you specify the amounts and they package them for you? Also, could you email me your protocol so I don't have to reinvent the wheel?
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Steve,
I don't order from DEA directly. I get court orders on drugs we have seized and put it into my inventory when I need replacements. As far as packaging goes, I try to replicate what we see in real life. Which includes about anything you can imagine. From my inventory I also will issue, to a handler, a large find for training. This enables them to train on targets ranging from 1/2 gram to multi kilo. If you would like a copy of my protocol, no problem, please send me an private message and I'll explain how you can obtain one at no cost.
DFrost
Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
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Steve... The max you can order from the DEA is 28.0 grams of each substance you order. We have never tried to order anything less than that. We break the 28g. into a 14g. and two 7g. samples.
As D. Frost pointed out... once you get your license you can get ALL of your confiscated drugs turned over to your K9 Unit by court order. I like both.... the "pure" for some aspects of training and the "street" for other. Court orders are a must for getting "weight" to use in training.
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While I do get seized drugs turned over to me, I don't use "street" drugs. I only keep what we get in kilo form, after the lab has tested and given us a quantitative analysis. I just believe if you train on the purest drug possible, diluents will have no affect on detection.
DFrost
Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
Thanks David and Matthew! I am filling out the paperwork for the state (Indiana) and DEA now and will send it off when I get the protocol tweaked out and security issues finalized. I appreciate you all sharing your experiences.
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While I am waiting for my DEA stuff to get done and my pharmacy license/permit I was considering using materials leather/cloth whatever that has been in contact with the various substances in an air tight container. Have you guys ever trained with articles that have been in contact with drugs? It seems to me the scent that would be given off would be weaker and harder to detect than say 7 grams of the actual drug. Does this mean if I'm correct that detecting articles that have been in contact with drugs is a more "advanced" task and should be left to finished dogs. I want to know instead of sitting on my hands(working protection.obedience, tracking) waiting for the DEA for 6 months should I start new dogs on these items or just wait? Derek
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Odor is odor. An article infused with the residual odor of an illegal substance will smell the same as the actual substance but as you said with less volume. Just don't make your plants as difficult, i.e. less height and depth. The other difference with using residual odor aids is that the odor will get less and less over time whereas the actual substance will continue to generate new odor. The problem is that for as much as you need to refresh residual aids you almost need to have constant access to the actual substance. If you use a residual aid for too long without refreshing it you can accidentally condition your dog to find the type of material you are using as your scent holder.
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Just don't get crazy with different articles.... because you are going to eventually proof the dog off of them. Go to Joanne Fabrics or some other sewing supply place and get a yard of some different fabrics. Cut each yard in half.. keep one half untouched of odor for proofing.
My wife made all of our Narc Bags on her sewing machine..... she made me 5 extra bags which I keep clean in a separate box for proofing.
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