Now here are examples of nicely bred pit bulls, I guarentee you you wont find these dogs runnin around mauling people. They are cared for, nourished, loved and appreciated. And in return they give all they got back!!!!!

Here is storm.
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/fil...1/1/Stormy1.jpg

Here is Cali
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/fil...1/cali89099.jpg

and Cashmere has a good pic.
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/fil...hmere091705.jpg

Pretty sure all under 40 lbs, and very talented, full of promise. This is the APBT at it's finest!!!!

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http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/2/0/1/1/Stormy1.jpg

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/2/0/1/1/cali89099.jpg

http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/2/0/1/1/cashmere091705.jpg

Try these ---Storm, Cali and Cashmere

All three of these dogs are tied with short tow chains in some dirty, grassless yard, obviously not house dogs or companion animals - dull coats, and emaciated - this is your idea of "loved, nourished and cared for?" We have different ideas of these concepts then, for sure. Poor dogs.

molly

I think she was being sarcastic, Thats how I took it

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All three of these dogs are tied with short tow chains in some dirty, grassless yard, obviously not house dogs or companion animals - dull coats, and emaciated - this is your idea of "loved, nourished and cared for?" We have different ideas of these concepts then, for sure. Poor dogs.

molly

Sorry Dennis not meant to be sarcastic, and yes Molly we do have different ideas. I have spent some time studying these methods for keeping a yard of game bred dogs. First there are many dogs, they are not what I have which are Pet Bulls. They live outside. They are kept on chains because a Pit Bull can scale a 6 foot fence with ease and escape...run loose, recipe for disaster. They are fed premium food, when shown the dust is not on their coats from living outside. They are worked everyday, 2 to 3 times. It is a full time job for the breeder. They are kept very lean and extremely healthy or they could not pull up to 1000 lbs and more. They are kept as highly conditioned athletes. The folks that keep these dogs make it a lifestyle, not a hobby, they are very dedicated to the health, happiness and performance of their dogs. My dog is game bred, but the only thing he competes for is his postion on the sofa...he is a game bred pet bull, however when he was younger he too was kept on a yard. You have to understand the true nature of a well bred game dog to understand that the folks that keep them really know their business, I guess like good GSD trainers and breeders know how to keep and handle their dogs. My female has gone right through a screen door after a rabbit, I can no longer use it as an acceptable barrier. These dogs are cared for believe me, and kept the way they are for their own protection as well as others in their environment.

Hope this helped enlighten a little.....

The chick with the sawed-off shotgun is a nice touch.

Pat

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All three of these dogs are tied with short tow chains in some dirty, grassless yard, obviously not house dogs or companion animals - dull coats, and emaciated - this is your idea of "loved, nourished and cared for?" We have different ideas of these concepts then, for sure. Poor dogs.

molly

I gotta agree with Molly on this...regardless of what we are told on this forum about how the dogs are "supposedly" kept, I can't help but base my opinions on the photos.

If these dogs can scale a fence, how about a nice secure run with a roof??? At least take them off the logging chain for a photo for cry-eye! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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Ok, I tried to stay out of it as long as I could. (Doesn't say much, does it). I disagree that these are the types of dog that the true breeders of this dog want. My pit is a cross between west coast and east coast lines, didn't come from (recently anyway) "pit" dogs, and has the most solid temperment I've ever seen. Around both dogs AND humans, as well as cats. This is the mom to by boy http://www.legacyapbt.com/Batty.htm and here is the Dad http://www.powerhousekennels.com/images/males/mak.jpg now THESE are well bred pits.

The reality is that the "true pit dog" can never come back. Although I find it interesting that we, as a society, give licenses to people so that they can kill a giraffe or deer or bear (for sport) we won't allow two dog owners to let their dogs fight but..whatever..not the point. In order for this breed to continue they must not be dog OR human aggressive.

In either case, I don't think the dogs that you you provided pictures to are really loved. They might be well conditioned and prized for what they can do - I doubt that their owners actually love their dogs. Sad.

I'm going to behave and reply without conflict.

The first set of photographs show properly conditioned bulldogs. They are definately not "emaciated" in my opinion, they still have lean muscle mass covering both their hip points and vertebrae. The are a fine representation of the ADBA breed standard.

The second set of photographs represent a UKC/AKC type with heavy AmStaff influence. While these may be good dogs, with good temperaments, that are suitable for families. They are not gamedogs, nor do they depict the breed standard.

The living conditions shown are not ideal, but they're not that bad either. Especially when talking about someone with a full yard of 50 or more dogs. That said, I have seen much worse yards from people with only one dog. The thing is, as long as the needs of the dog are met, such as providing the dog with adequate shelter(dry/comfortable/vented/warm in winter/cool in summer), enough room to allow free movement yet keep them out of trouble(within reach of other dogs), access to a clean water source, and scheduled yard cleanup(poop patrol). If all of these conditions are met, I would not object because the dogs are okay.

The concern about chains/collars is an important thing to explain as well. Valerie has already described how well these dogs can escape just about anytype of enclosure(I have seen dogs chew through chain-link kennels before), so the chains help keep them secure, and out of trouble. The chains are strong enough to prevent the dogs from breaking them when they play/pull. Some bulldog people think it conditions the dogs, or looks "tough", but this is the legimate reason. The thick padded collars seen on most bulldogs is also for their protection. These are high energy dogs that are rough and tumble when they play. They pull ALOT when they get excited about things around them(animals/smells/noises) and the collars help to prevent injury by absorbing the impacts associated with chain pulling.

This is not how most people might keep their dogs, nor is it how I've kept my dogs in the past. Its also not a definitive sign of poor ownership or illegal activity. In my opinion its a cost effective way to keep a large number of dogs safe, healthy, and happy.

Andy.