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susan tuck wrote 03/07/2006 04:51 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: Luke Charlton ] #100102 - 03/07/2006 04:51 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	Now I feel the need to say, what the heck does Jeffs' signature have to do with what he posted?? Talk about avoidance <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Jenni Williams wrote 03/07/2006 04:57 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: Luke Charlton ] #100103 - 03/07/2006 04:57 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	He knows. AND claims he did it on purpose <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />. But, what about the fact that there's a comma separating two complete sentences? Jeff, for my sanity, could you please exchange the comma for a semicolon???Please <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />?
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Robert VanCamp wrote 03/07/2006 04:58 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #100104 - 03/07/2006 04:58 PM
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001 Posts: 3916 Loc: Offline	My experience has been the same as Jeff's and Will's regarding protection ability and mastiff breeds.
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Greg Long wrote 03/07/2006 05:26 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: Robert VanCamp ] #100105 - 03/07/2006 05:26 PM
Greg Long Webboard User Reg: 02-09-2005 Posts: 59 Loc: Offline	I saw Donn Yarnall do his "stake out test" on a mastiff once.It was a Neapolitan or a Presa,I cant remember.Anyway,everyone was snickering as the rest of the dogs there were certified police dogs.Donn tested the dog and said it had low prey of course but said it had good fight drive.The dog didnt move an inch as pressure was applied.He tested some of the police dogs and a few would have high tailed it if they werent tied to the fence. Theres a good question,how many police dogs on the street could be run off if the suspect came towards the dog instead of running away? Also,It should be made clear that this "testing" everyone is refering to, needs to be as realistic as possible and not just on a football field.To me "sport" and "testing" are totally different.Even in a reality based sport, if you are going for points then you have parameters.
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Luke Charlton wrote 03/07/2006 05:50 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: susan tuck ] #100106 - 03/07/2006 05:50 PM
Luke Charlton Webboard User Reg: 08-04-2005 Posts: 149 Loc: Houston, TX Offline	Quote: Now I feel the need to say, what the heck does Jeffs' signature have to do with what he posted?? Talk about avoidance <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I didn't mean his case against BBs, which I think is accurate from what little I've seen, I meant his case of him being smarter than his dog! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> But then I go and pose a question and end it with a period. I wish we could edit posts. I'm sure I'll make a mistake in this post even after reading it in the preview! Anyway, I wonder what you guys think of American Bulldogs and especially Boxers. I'm going to Germany in two weeks to pickup my boxer puppy which I plan to title in ASR. I'm also intent on contacting Will when he is old enough (the puppy, not will) to do some training as he's not that far away. Enzo v Messingsberg, IPO1
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susan tuck wrote 03/07/2006 05:52 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: jonathan sheldon ] #100107 - 03/07/2006 05:52 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	I don't think there are too many people who are in need of a "real" protection dog. Personally, I had a situation where my dog protected me, but I love Sch & that's what I train for, not "real life". I have a deep respect & admiration for those professionals who put themselves & their dogs on the line to protect the average citizen (me), but other than those people, most people don't need this kind of dog. So, I will say once again, I would rather keep myself & my sports GSD out of harms way, away from the REAL bad guys, & just have fun.
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Jenni Williams wrote 03/07/2006 06:57 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: susan tuck ] #100108 - 03/07/2006 06:57 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	Greg and Susan both have valid points, IMO. For the rare person who has actually had a situation in which a TRUE PPD would have been warranted, they need to be absolutely as sure as they can be that this dog will work in a REAL situation. Nothing in life is 100%, granted, but working/training dogs in real scenarios and under stress DOES help condition them to obey and react under any stress, and at least MINIMIZES the chance that they'll take flight and leave you up a creek. Having said this, Susan is also right, as are the 100 others who've said that a deterrent is all the average person needs. They just need to be realistic in their expectations of their sport dogs, just as others need to be realistic in their expectations of their PETS abilities to protect them.
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susan tuck wrote 03/07/2006 07:07 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: Jenni Williams ] #100109 - 03/07/2006 07:07 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	I agree 100%...and while I'm on my soap box, organized sports (where protection is involved) weeds out the crazy jerks that want a mean dog for some weird ego thing, because those people don't want to put the time into the other aspects of the sport(obedience, tracking, whatever).
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Robert VanCamp wrote 03/07/2006 07:10 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: susan tuck ] #100110 - 03/07/2006 07:10 PM
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001 Posts: 3916 Loc: Offline	I'm glad you two felt the need to post those opinions. There's nothing better that running commentary added to threads like this.
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susan tuck wrote 03/07/2006 08:22 PM Re: PP Boerboel [Re: Robert VanCamp ] #100111 - 03/07/2006 08:22 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	Sorry...I got carried away...won't happen again <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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