Beth Sparks wrote 04/18/2006 10:08 AM Re: OK, Barbara, so... [Re: Daniel Flores ] #104325 - 04/18/2006 10:08 AM
Beth Sparks Webboard User Reg: 01-25-2006 Posts: 186 Loc: Offline	Barbara, My property is fenced(6ft) My chow's never left the propery. The owner of the goats let them free range and they would come and stick their heads over the fence(through it) they finally made a hole one day and then we had problems. I fixed the hole many times and told the owner of the goats. He never responded to my pleas to keep the goats away from our property. My chow's were never dangerous to people, although they did bark at everyone. Since that time(10 years ago) I hope I have learned a little more about dogs than I knew then. I do train my GSD's. As far as the methods of training that are used by Michael Flink's they are wonderful!I used the word"Killer" inappropriately <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Nevertheless I was held responsible for the loss of those goats!about 800$ worth <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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Ruth Counter wrote 04/18/2006 10:24 AM Re: OK, Barbara, so... [Re: Daniel Flores ] #104326 - 04/18/2006 10:24 AM
Ruth Counter Webboard User Reg: 11-16-2005 Posts: 185 Loc: Utah, U.S. Offline	Daniel, my experience has only been raising golden retrievers, labs, and GSD's as a puppy raiser for an organization that places guide dogs. I did none of the guide training, only the first year or year-and-a-half raising and socializing. We played tug with all those puppies. It was a good way to release energy and bond. However,we owned the tug toy and taught a command that signalled the end of the game, then the tug toy was put away. The pup had other toys and chews to amuse themselves but the tug toy was put up. In fact, we owned all the toys and called all the shots.
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Barbara Erdman wrote 04/18/2006 11:41 AM Re: OK, Barbara, so... [Re: Beth Sparks ] #104327 - 04/18/2006 11:41 AM
Barbara Erdman Webboard User Reg: 10-20-2005 Posts: 335 Loc: Long Island Offline	If the goats were not only trespassing, but destroying your property, I don't think you should have been responsible for the $800. What could you have even done differently except put in a double fence system? But why should you have had to pay for that? Sounds like you got a bad deal <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Psst... Michael Flinks's real name is really Bernhard <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> shh! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Valerie Tietz-Kelly wrote 04/18/2006 11:53 AM Re: OK, Barbara, so... [Re: Barbara Erdman ] #104328 - 04/18/2006 11:53 AM
Valerie Tietz-Kelly Webboard User Reg: 07-26-2005 Posts: 566 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Candi, This is why I don't EVER go to dog parks Owners that condone this behavior are why dog's of this type(Pits, Bulls, Staff's)get such bad publicity This is a condeming statement. Bully breeds such as APBTs and Am Staffs get a bad rep because of irresponsible people who refuse to train their dogs and establish themselves as the pack leaders....oh yeh but I guess that would go for any breed of dog. I have had great success training my Am Staff with a tug toy...it totally stokes her drive and makes obediance fun for her, and when she is done training we have a little round of tug of war and I even lift her off the ground and when I set her down and say "enough" she releases the tug and prances off like she is just so pleased with herself. Dog parks are a bad idea in general, off leash bullies that are not trained and are not completely reliable in a dog park is dumb, and if you are going to do this be prepared should your bullies "switch" get flipped to break him off of his target. Val
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Beth Sparks wrote 04/18/2006 11:58 AM Re: OK, Barbara, so... [Re: Barbara Erdman ] #104329 - 04/18/2006 11:58 AM
Beth Sparks Webboard User Reg: 01-25-2006 Posts: 186 Loc: Offline	Ooops <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Michael is Bernhard's son? Well we got the raw end <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />We live in a primarily stock driven area. Stock animals are held high above dogs,cats,etc. When stock is lost here, its viewed as loss of income! So we made a deal that did spare our dogs being shot on the scene <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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susan tuck wrote 04/18/2006 12:44 PM Re: puppy [Re: michael stephenson ] #104330 - 04/18/2006 12:44 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	Hi Michael. I don't know if the dog parks in Australia are similar to the ones in the USA, but if they are, I'd stay away from them. From what I have observed here, usually the owners are socializing with each other & ignoring thier dogs, which can make for a bad situation. If you live in an area where you can take your dog on a nice hike, I think both of you would like it better, nice scenery, terrain changes, better exercize, great stress reliever & most importantly, hikes are wonderful bonding experiences for you & the dog. Dogs get bullied a lot at the dog parks here because their owners are either not paying attention, or are weirdos who get off on thinking their dog is the "king of the hill". Kind of like those awful stage door parents!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Jenni Williams wrote 04/18/2006 02:29 PM Re: puppy [Re: susan tuck ] #104331 - 04/18/2006 02:29 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	I caught one thing that is a pet peeve of mine...Why is it that everyone thinks a dog with black on thier tongue is part chow? It's ridiculous. The "GSD mix" w/black spots probably has black spots because...well, because it has black spots <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, like MANY GSDs do, not because it's part chow, and was a "killer" because it's a DOG, not because it was thought to be part chow. If a dog who has black on it's tongue is part chow, then, well, I want my money back on my black DDR/Czech GSD.
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Barbara Erdman wrote 04/18/2006 03:15 PM Re: puppy [Re: Jenni Williams ] #104332 - 04/18/2006 03:15 PM
Barbara Erdman Webboard User Reg: 10-20-2005 Posts: 335 Loc: Long Island Offline	I noticed that you have a lot of pet peeves Jenni. How's that working out for you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I didn't know GSD's had black spotted tongues. Thanks for that bit of info. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Jenni Williams wrote 04/18/2006 03:32 PM Re: puppy [Re: Barbara Erdman ] #104333 - 04/18/2006 03:32 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	Barbara, I'll ignore your sarcasm and reply sincerely. I don't know much about black tongues, except that several (40%ish) of the European GSDs I'm in close contact with have black on some portion of their tongues. I think it probably has to do with pigment, and little, if anything, else. Caleb is black, black, black. Eyes so dark you can't tell if they're open or closed in low light, black gums, nails, everything. Black spots on tongue. He looks about as much like a Chow as you do (don't know what you look like-just betting), yet people ask if he's part chow when he yawns and they see his tongue. It gets a little annoying...about as annoying as "Oh, what cute ears on a lab." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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Candi Campbell wrote 04/18/2006 03:33 PM You're hysterical, Barb, LOL [Re: Barbara Erdman ] #104334 - 04/18/2006 03:33 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2006 Posts: 696 Loc: San Francisco, CA Offline	Thanks for a good laugh, Barbara, however: A pup whose lineage consists of 3-4 different breeds is a mongrel by definition, but not by insult -- And your accusation that I was "threatening to tell Ed" something is simply hilarious <:-O OTOH, advising inexperienced owners to teach a molosser, or any high-drive K9, that it can best its master & ought to contend with other dogs is neither funny nor a good idea. How anyone can live without a dog is beyond me...
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