My previous post may not have been too clear. I do not have problems with my pup stayining in one place with the commands. I don;t teach stay. Sit means sit until told, same with Down and Stand. My question is while in a Down or a Sit then commanding a Stand the dog seams like he doesn't know the command. However I can walk him at heel, command Stand and keep walking. My pup will stand there in place. I then begin to give the rapid fire commands. That is when the problem comes in for the Stand. Any Suggestions are apprechiated.

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It sounds like he simply does not fully understand the "stand" command.

After his sit or down in front of you, act as if your going to step back and coax him to follow with "stand", the vey second he raises into a stand, block his forward movement with your body while giving instant praise "good stand". Do this from the sit and down position several times until he stands without attempting to move forward and then start adding distance and distraction, rapid fire commands, etc.

What does everyone else think?

More discussion on "stands".....

"Training The Stand" threads

Yes, I am having similar issues with the stand.

I read on some of the stand threads that a good way to prevent the dog from moving around is to block his chest with your leg/knee so that he can't step "into you" when standing.

Unfortunately my dog bites me every time I do this... it seems to confuse and frustrate him.

I tried just holding his collar and putting my hand under his belly, but he still pulls forward quite a bit.

Oh well, I'm trying out various methods now so hopefully I will get this to work. So far he does a nice "on the spot" stand but only if he's very quiet and calm. If he's in drive, I might as well forget about it, lol.

I'd love to hear how anyone else with similar issues has taught their dogs to stand without moving around.

My female shepherd (now 11 years) learned the stand so easily so I'm a little perplexed as to why it's so hard for my 10-month-old pup.
Maybe it's because he works in such higher drive and a much higher intensity than she did...

Always remember that the "stand" HAS to be taught standing first.
Meaning that have your dog stand, tell him "stand'(as he stands) feel himmaround ,under belly, pet him to the sides,on top of the back,remind him , "good Stand" than move him around a bit ,stand still ,"stand" "good boy" do it again, than you can move to a sit, put your hand under the belly slightly as you slightly pull him in a stand from a sit, remind him"stand", "good boy" lots of praise during his stand, pet him all over.You can use food or toy as a reward or motivate him to move position.I don't use anything other than a reward when he stand still.Always Break your dog in between with a reward, make it short and motivational.When you go from a sit to a down and up ,you want your dog to stand tall not half stands , that is why I pet my dog all over his body when I teach the stand, it becomes a good exercise and rewarding for the dog.Standing for a dog from any position is not hard and a natural position .If you teach it with patience and positive re-enforcement, you'll get a good stand.I have seen dogs stand with a crouch position or they'll stand but as soon as their handler move they will down or sit right away.Mke the stand be comfortable to your dog and he'll 'stand' tall. I groom mine and will repeat to him "stand" and he enjoys standing for me.I think that's why I have so many great pictures of him standing

Thanks so much Angélique!
That sounds like excellent advice, I'll go try it out right away.

Currently, I put my hand under his belly to get him to stand tall. Once he's in the position, he'll stay there even if I move around and try to distract him. Even if I move back to him he keeps his "tall" stand.

How long did it take for your dogs to learn to stand tall directly from a sit (without any help)?

Thanks again for the great tip; I hope this works. The stand is our major weakness at this point

 Quote: angelique cadogan

Always remember that the "stand" HAS to be taught standing first.....

Absolutely...With Geoff, he has already had some success with the stand and the dog shows some understanding, so I did not mention that and advised the use of the command. It may be better to withold the initial command until he shows better understanding.....Its hard to tell without seeing the dog work in person.

You could also confine your dog to a chest level box or something in front of him so he cannot move forward and train the stand- then slowly fade the "physical restriction" out to ensure that he remains standing back legs up first, not stepping forward. Markers that are very well timed help when doing this...lol
A dog trained for mondio was taught to lay down pushing back with his front legs and moving his butt back, instead of walking forward in to the down position. That way he wouldn't cross the line in front of him for the change of positions. It's all in how to teach it.
Alison Voore

 Quote: angelique cadogan

Always remember that the "stand" HAS to be taught standing first.

my god, why didn't i think of that.

seriously, i think i taught my dog "steh" the hard way after that. i had her tethered on a small line in a sit, gave the command and did anything i could to coax her off the ground. i rewarded as soon as the butt left the ground. then i started only rewarding if she kept the butt off the ground. it was very frustrating for my dog, and resulted in very loud training sessions (she learned to speak before doing this, and the frustration->bark->treat thing was still fresh in her mind).

she does it quite well now, but i guess i really wasn't too fair in how i trained her. teaching stand from a stand sounds so much easier. i'll probably try it with my brother in law's dog.