Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
[Re: Sarah Morris ]
#153079 - 08/24/2007 01:19 PM |
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Hey Natalya...
No attacks or anger at you personally. Strong feelings about this whole subject...absolutely! If I came off that way then you have my most sincere apology
And no worries, none at all
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#153080 - 08/24/2007 01:21 PM |
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Sandy,
I aggree with you more than I disagree, BUT you are using logic that does not apply to this arguement. You do have rights, but rights that pertain to an object of ownership that has the potential to be used to injur or kill another person with rights themselves characteristically require restriction, licensure, and in some cases education. You have a right to drive, as long as you have a license and follow the rules. You have a right to bear arms, as long as you are licensed to to so and are not a felon. A dog in the eyes of the law is an object that we own above all else, and a living thing that deserves humane treatment second. Comparing that to a child which is a living thing that has rights from the moment of conception is apples and oranges. I do not support breed banning AT ALL, as it will only harm the individuals that will follow the law and are responsible owners. The same logic applies for me to guns and even drugs for that matter. Me owning my two GSD's and being free to do so does not help me when some time in the future I cannot obtain insurance because our free economy has dictated that the level of risk associated with insuring the GSD breed in general is just too great because of the idiots that own them. Licensing which requires owner responsibility and temperment testing (which all of us here are already doing) would allow insurance companies to only insure the licensed dogs and bring down that risk level to acceptable. I see no other way to cull the morons from the crowd and protect... yes protect our rights.
I am not a fan of it but it seems licensing is the lesser of the two evils. And i would fully support it if it ended/slowed downed/stopped BSL
Michael.West
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
[Re: David Eagle ]
#153082 - 08/24/2007 01:25 PM |
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I think that's one of the questions you have to ask when you buy a dog. The first thing I think is "Will I be able to take this dog with me when I move?" and the second is "Am I willing to move in order to keep this dog, if I have to?"
I think those are questions you have to ask yourself for the individual dog & living enviornment, such as "Will it be happy in an apt?, will it's barking disturb my neighbors?, will it receive enough excercise where I move to?" You shouldn't have to ask those questions based on the breed itself.
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#153084 - 08/24/2007 01:32 PM |
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I think that's one of the questions you have to ask when you buy a dog. The first thing I think is "Will I be able to take this dog with me when I move?" and the second is "Am I willing to move in order to keep this dog, if I have to?"
I think those are questions you have to ask yourself for the individual dog & living enviornment, such as "Will it be happy in an apt?, will it's barking disturb my neighbors?, will it receive enough excercise where I move to?" You shouldn't have to ask those questions based on the breed itself.
I will freely admit i am not a fan of big dogs that are stuck in apartments with no lawns and the dogs living enviorment and happiness should always come first. But what i want to say is no you shouldn't have to ask those questions based on breed. But it seems these days you have to.
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
[Re: Michael West ]
#153091 - 08/24/2007 03:08 PM |
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The Pit Bull Conundrum is not a dog problem but a societal problem. Fear fuels the media, it sells papers and boosts ratings. The American Pit Bull Terrier is constantly misrepresented through false generalizations and the public labeling any Bully type dog a Pit Bull, which is nothing more then a misused general term and not a breed. The dog is a scapegoat for irresponsible people. When a child uses his parents gun that "accidentally" shoots a friend we don't blame the gun and talk about how it never showed any problems before,it was always well behaved at the range. The Owners are to blame. I have been around APBT since I was a child and have yet to see any of the variety of problems the media potrays. Responsible owners are the reason there has never been a problem. I have come across more unhinged labs and goldens then any other dog, and in most cases I have felt it was due to owners being irresponsible in the treatment and training of their dogs. Every dog owner needs to consider what their pets can do, wether it is the Pomeranian that killed the newborn in the its crib or the Golden that shook and strangled a little girl to death while the mother was in the kitchen. Accidents happen and as horrifying as they may be the ones with dogs are only a small percentage to those caused by parents, toys, pools, guns, medical malpractice and even food.
The following news article is a great example of where the blame needs to be placed for the "Pit Bull Conundrum".
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_6656484
Jonathan
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
[Re: Jonathan DeLuna ]
#153092 - 08/24/2007 03:17 PM |
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The Pit Bull Conundrum is not a dog problem but a societal problem. Fear fuels the media, it sells papers and boosts ratings. The American Pit Bull Terrier is constantly misrepresented through false generalizations and the public labeling any Bully type dog a Pit Bull, which is nothing more then a misused general term and not a breed. The dog is a scapegoat for irresponsible people. When a child uses his parents gun that "accidentally" shoots a friend we don't blame the gun and talk about how it never showed any problems before,it was always well behaved at the range. The Owners are to blame. I have been around APBT since I was a child and have yet to see any of the variety of problems the media potrays. Responsible owners are the reason there has never been a problem. I have come across more unhinged labs and goldens then any other dog, and in most cases I have felt it was due to owners being irresponsible in the treatment and training of their dogs. Every dog owner needs to consider what their pets can do, wether it is the Pomeranian that killed the newborn in the its crib or the Golden that shook and strangled a little girl to death while the mother was in the kitchen. Accidents happen and as horrifying as they may be the ones with dogs are only a small percentage to those caused by parents, toys, pools, guns, medical malpractice and even food.
The following news article is a great example of where the blame needs to be placed for the "Pit Bull Conundrum".
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_6656484
Jonathan
ohhh i am going to like you :-D
welcome to the boards and great post.
Michael.West
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
[Re: Michael West ]
#153095 - 08/24/2007 03:34 PM |
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Michael,
Thanks for the welcome. I have been trolling here for quite sometime (maybe 2 years or more)as it is one of the most helpful training forums and sites I have ever found. I finally joined so I could contribute instead of just taking everyones information without giving any input.
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#153096 - 08/24/2007 03:49 PM |
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Excellent post Jonathan! I couldn't agree more. My favorite part was "When a child uses his parents gun that "accidentally" shoots a friend we don't blame the gun and talk about how it never showed any problems before,it was always well behaved at the range."
Welcome!
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#153097 - 08/24/2007 03:58 PM |
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Re: The Pit Bull Conundrum
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#153098 - 08/24/2007 04:03 PM |
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Rebekah,
Not to talk down about the web site but i would go to a official Florida site to make sure the info is correct.
Now if it is correct it just might mean that the state dosn't support BSL but city's still can pass there own laws.
Michael.West
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