Enrique I agree with you, i really don't like what I saw at all. Weak if you ask me..
Now I am not one for E-collars but I really like to see control on a dog without it, then I can say you have great control of your dogs.So many people jump on the e-collar too fast and too much that they forget what it take to be "a good handler" and wouldn't know how to teach the basics with out it . I didn't like the training with the baby in the center and 2 dogs being controlled by ELECTRICITY.
Now I understand why K9 handlers use it, and I agree with that but not people that want to show off how great of handlers they are
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What about the "the dog should attack the hand with the weapon"? I've read other posts, I think from Wil or Ed where they say this a no-no.
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I can not speak for anyone else, and that is a nice idea. It is one of the main reasons i like army/shoulder bites over leg bites because that way the dog has a 50/50 chance of disabling the attackers good arm makeing it that much more difficult to attack you or your dog.
The problem here is you did not see the dog targeting the arm with a weapon. Yes in both bites the dog bit the arm with the stick in it, only because he stuck his arm with the stick out farther then the other one. So it was simply the dog going for the closest object.
Does anyone else see this training being done in reverse? All this control so early. The dog does not "strike" the bad guy with a real bite ever, he just kind of saunters up to him and grabs on. This looks like what an AKC obedience trainer would call protection. Is it just me? And when trained in reverse like that, do you think the dog will ever show real power?
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I don't think that anyone would expect a 7 mo. old to be doing REAL serious bite work. My guess is, he still sees the decoy as a playmate, there is probably no real DEFENSE being done with the dog. If so, then that would be another story.
Obviously this video is not going to impress a lot of folks that are into training PPD. To me it looks like a nice job of a rehearsed ob routine.
That said if you showed this to a non dog owner or the "average" pet owner, I bet they would be pretty darned impressed with that "protection dog".
For a person who has never been involved with protection dogs they might think this is exactly how it should look. I think I could train my Duck Toller a similar routine, but that would NOT make him a PPD dog
Due to my lack of experience in this type of work I am unsure what a 7 month old PPD dog should look like, or where they should be in their training.
Like Al I wonder what the dog would look like when mature when it was ready for more pressure. I also agree with him that MANY who say they want a great PPD, do not want a sharp, suspisious dog...
I really just wanted to point out that though the video does not impress any of you, it may impress the non educated public wanting a PPD, and that that may be the intended audience.
I really just wanted to point out that though the video does not impress any of you, it may impress the non educated public wanting a PPD, and that that may be the intended audience.
And that could be dangerous if your life really depended on a dog like that... Yikes!
John I sooo agree with you on this one, I thought it seem like a weak attack , a dog that really is not putting ANY power into his bite , he seems weak in his protection.I know he's 7 months but my young male I had , at 7 months came like a train to bite the sack and later on the decoy.
That is exactly what I'm saying. Even with a young dog in prey drive only, they still strike with power when developed properly. The dog looks like it's just going through a routine.
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