Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Another marker question - when you do a jackpot (for instance when I have her in a down and am trying to build duration) do you keep saying yes and giving treat or just keep jackpot treating with good girl after the down was marked once?
One marker, and ONLY when the behavior was happening. The marker is the end of the command.
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So - bark, bark, bark, she takes a breath, mark, treat, ...
Yes. The light will go on. "Bark didn't get me a piece of chicken. But no-bark did!"
You can see how the instant-ness of the marker is very different from hauling out a treat or a toy or praise, because there's no way to get it associated it with the precise "good" moment without the marker.
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P.S. Also no markers from me to elicit behavior. The marker is ONLY for the wanted behavior, and ONLY when it's happening.
Do you mean no marker elicit the behavior or no treat? And if you mean no mark, then how would you elicit behavior with a mark?
I guess what I am wondering is that I lured her into a sit when I first started. (This was before I understood the marker part)
But I also lured her to a different place after she got the first one going pretty good. I am hoping to have several places for the place command. I read on her somewhere that someone had taught place by eventually just dropping a hankerchief or jacket or something.
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I can't wait until tomorrow to try this. This sounds exciting.
It is.
I have been using "yes" for a long time, but I'm going to start with my new clicker this weekend. The dog has a lot of obedience under his belt. I'm going to start with something new. Then when he "gets" the cicker, I think maybe he will be quicker than me to understand that the clicker is the new "yes."
I don't think it'll be a big issue. Since I'm not regularly marking already-learned behavior, I think that the new marker and the new commands will be fine together.
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OK. I get it now.
I have been using hand signal with sit, down and place. But I don't think that is leading or luring. Is it?
I do finger up for sit, finger down for down and point and say got to your place.
Hand signals are great, because look at the distance from which you can give it!
My deaf dog, gone now, made me learn hand signals (even though she was very good at reading lips, having gone deaf slowly). Then I learned that hand signals, like clickers, have a nie unchanging "tone." It's hard to scream "SIT!" with a hand signal at a dog who is driving you crazy that day.
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