heard that they haven't pick a coffin yet, might I recommend

http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/522/images/Dumpster_1.jpg

That's too nice Dennis

How about this?
http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/26511/wm/pd2077390.jpg

 Quote: Claire Stadt

I just can't believe anyone would stand up for this monster. How many men do you know that would have young boys sleep with them on sleepouts? Where were his own children during this time?

As far as being found inocent in court, look at alot of high profile crimes, look how many is found inocent,(OJ for instance). Happens all the time...

Also in child molestation cases, the children many times recant their stories, such as battered wives do.

He is buried now, hopefully the news will quit treating him like an American hero, he was a freak show in my opion.

Because Claire, SOME of us don't beleive he WAS a child molester.

 Quote: Ed Frawley

I believ MJ is a pedophile. I belive he had enough money to skate. He had enough money to buy the parents off.

If anybody did anything inappropriate with my child, I would fight with everything I had to make sure they were prosecuted to the full extent of the law (assuming that I was prevented from strangling them to death first).

No amount of money could ever buy me off, and I really wonder about the ethics of people who would accept hush money in this type of situation.

Enough on MJ.

You people really need to click on the link I posted on the first page. The kids LIED because their father FORCED THEM TO. Why doesn't this matter to you? The parents were paid off because MJ was afraid of losing his kids and career. The first verse of Tool's "The Grudge" immediately comes to mind, and I quote...

"Wear the grudge like a crown, negativity.
Calculate what we will, will not tolerate.
Desperate to control all and everything.
Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen.
Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Justify denials and grip it to the lonesome end.
Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Terrified of being wrong. Ultimatum prison cell."

In my local newspaper today there was one story about MJ and it was not on the front page. The front page was occupied by a tribute to a firefighter and on C1 was a story about a local soldier who died in Afghanistan. Maybe you guys just need to find a better, and possibly less slanted, source for your news? Maybe not rely on the talking heads to provide you with information?

I have nothing more for this topic.

I agree with you Scott. I almost didn't post to this thread because to do so would be to 'put myself out there' more than I'm usually comfortable with. Also because logic and reason don't always find their way into these kinds of discussions. Unfortunately, popular public opinion, right or wrong, seems to have the loudest voice. I prefer to think for myself and form my own opinions. I tend to be a person inclined to look beyond the obvious, and have little regard for the media and it's 'sensationalist' viewpoint. I'm not gullible enough to believe everything I read.

It is my personal belief that MJ was a very misunderstood, childlike man who didn't understand what all of the fuss was about because he himself didn't think in sexual terms. Unfortunately, society does. Most of us do, to the point where it's difficult to fathom that perhaps there are folks that may think differently than we do. MJ is guilty of bad, childlike judgment in some instances, to be sure. I see proof of nothing more. I have had the misfortune to work with pedophiles in my 'real life' and they are pretty slick and secretive about their endeavors. Not so Micheal Jackson. If he were thinking like a pedophile, he wouldn't have been in a position to be so vulnerable to accusation in the first place. He didn't think this way. He was clearly an easy target for folks trying to get rich quick, and it ruined his life.

I'm sad about the passing of MJ. It's not because I was a huge fan or anything (though I love music) but because he was a human being who contributed something interesting and esoteric to the world. It hurts my psyche to hear the passing of ANY human being referred to as "good riddance to bad rubbish" and I find it in extremely poor taste to make jokes about what ANY person should be buried in. It's disgusting to me. Though I do appreciate that everyone has an opinion, and am grateful for the right and ability to express mine.

This is a man who has been mourned world-wide because of what he gave the WORLD. He literally devoted his life to the happiness of other people. His charitable contributions were STAGGERING. While I agree that all of the hoopla is over the top, that is, again, the fault of the media and it's need to cave in to whichever 'feeding frenzy' is most likely to pay the bills. It's not MJ's fault...he's gone.

I personally will reserve whatever hatred and tasteless comments I possess for confirmed child abusers, serial killers, and the like.

Just my two cents.

Kristal, I agree with what you said.

Konnie, I feel as you do. If I thought that someone may have mistreated my son, there would not been enough money or anything else in the world that would stop me from exposing & bringing to justice & punishment the person or persons that I felt were responsible. Nor would I stop until I saw this happen or die first. Like I said before, this man will have to answer to a higher power then us, if is was responsible for these acts against children.

Well said, Kristel, thank you.

kristel, i've been trying to think of a way to say what you just said for days now, thank you.

it IS hard to move in a society that is so sexual, and denies it at the same time.

as a preschool teacher, i was told by the director that we had to be careful putting our arms around the kids, things like that because people might take it the wrong way.

when a person lives free of that mislabeled "taboo", everyone stares and whispers. "oh my, he invited children over!" "gasp, he held that childs hand!".

so what. kids are awesome.

i remember being 16-17ish, and hanging out with friends in the town where my dad was a cop. we were at a gas station, and i saw him, so i ran over to his patrol car, and started talking to him.
i will never forget him telling me to not do that again, because it might look inappropriate for him to be talking to a young lady.
WTH, that was my dad. i know its not the same situation, but its the same society. the one where you have to ALWAYS be aware of what you are doing when you talk to someone, does this look bad, what would someone think if they came up to this...

even if he did the things he was accused of, so what.

we've spent his LIFE slamming him for it. now its time to remember and celebrate what he gave to the world. Earth has lost one of its greatest performers of all time.