Alex wrote - and the same dog probably would have let Ted Bundy crawl in the window if he was carrying a ball.

Wouldn't that just be a part of over socailization or the way you made him. I don't think Mister Bundy would be welcome at my house. And I know at one of my assoicates house I'm welcome when he is there but If I knock on the door and his wife is home by herself, she has to hold them by their collar or they wil crash the door. I don't think the late great Mr. Bundy would be welcome, by these two Rotties either.

I heared a K-9 cop say this once you can fool me 1 out of ten times, but you can't fool my dog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Don wrote:

And I know at one of my assoicates house I'm welcome when he is there but If I knock on the door and his wife is home by herself, she has to hold them by their collar or they wil crash the door.

Well, that's a disaster waiting to happen. One of these days they may "crash the door" and some poor person putting up fliers, or a child selling candy is going to be injured,,,, all because they are not controlling their dogs. This is not good for them, and it's not good for us. There's no reason for a dog to display this aggression,,, someone at the front door is not a sufficent reason for the dog to come unglued and charge the door. These types of dogs need firmer handling and shame on the owner for not addressing this situation as a problem. Susan

Susan, I think Don was being facetious, at least I hope he was. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Susan wrote: "There's no reason for a dog to display this aggression"


I disagree. A dog barking at the door, any door, is the best deterent to criminals that anyone has yet to come up with in a few thousand years.


I encourage barking and guarding at entrances to my residence. Thats kinda the whole freaking point of having a protection dog, or a protective breed for that matter.

Huh?
There's no reason for a dog to display aggression when somebody comes to the door?
Guess you don't have home invasion type robberies where you live, Susan. I read about them in the Atlanta Journal nearly everyday. A father and son were just murdered not two weeks ago here by home invaders - a good dog and a firearm would have prevented that sad action.( occurred in Lilburn, Ga )

I know that no one will be able to enter my home without my permission, as long as Fetz is alive. And that's *exactly* the way I want it.

Even if criminals entered your home with guns blazing, a well trained dog will slow them down enough for you to have time to arm yourself and repeal the criminals The security of owning dog that will protect it's owner is literally priceless - it could be worth your life someday.

I didn't say that barking aggressively was a problem,,,, but the description of someone holding a dog back to keep him from "crashing the door" is a problem, in my opinion. I go to many houses in my line of work. I can't tell you how many quarantines I go on where the dog is allowed to charge the front door and hit it with his full weight. I usually have my foot holding (hopefully a security door) closed, because if it's a regular screen door, he's going to come through it. And it is not uncommon, for just that same reason, that I am there for the quarantine, as the dog has already come through the "closed" door and bitten someone. The owner frequently argues, "Well, I have the dog here for protection of the house, I want him to act this way." Okay, the owner has chosen to allow this behavior in his dog, even though it has caused the injury of an innocent person, that was on the property legally. Now, this is for the state of California, but if this owner allows this dog to access another person in this same type of situation, I'm going to persue a potentially dangerous dog investigation.....period. And guess what,,,,,the public agrees with this, and there goes your dog. I don't make the laws, I enforce them. Be responsible and keep your dog away from threatening or injuring innocent people. I have rotts, and they all bark, alert, and crowd the front door if someone knocks. But they do not jump up on the door, or hit it with their weight. And when I tell them to quiet, they do. They continue to watch intently, but the person at the door gets the idea that this house is patrolled. If someone is seriouis about breaking in to your home, they're going to poison your dogs, and still enter, no matter what the demeanor of your dog. I get cases like this once in a while, usually nice big "outside dogs only",,,,, when it is dead, they just get another one, and they stiil get robbed. Susan

I have to agree with Will and Robert.

I am a women, I am disabled, and live alone,I have three German Shepherds, and a 357. And yes I want my dogs to bark and go to the door. If the person thinks my dogs will eat them alive, Good. When I see who it is and tell my dogs QUIET, It's Ok, Then I open the door.

Susan,
I tend to think that the stories of criminals poisoning a dog to gain access to a place for robbery is an urban myth. I was a K-9 officer for years, the chairman of an animal control board for a fair sized city, and I've worked in many humane societies. I have yet to have ever meet anyone that had a dog posioned as a prelude to a crime. I also have never heard of a reliable case in my many years in dog training. Maybe it does happen - but if it does, it's pretty rare.

The only posionings that I've ever seen ( or even heard of ) were by neighbors that had it out for the dog owners for whatever reason - sad for the dog, but it didn't result in outright harm to the owners. And they were never as a prelude to a criminal action.

And it's not hard to poison-proof dogs. It's a required exercise in KNPV and I do it for all my animals, as a lot of security minded folks do.

Susan, You are looking at it from a dog shelter and protect the public point of view. I see your point and agree that there are some people that should not have dogs. Making the dog crazy either because of lack of training or poor training.

But there are times when a dog should be trained to respond to certain incidents. Just the threat of his action can stop a incident from happening.
Some people think that the era for a need or want for PT dog is past, they might be right if you stay in all of the time. But if you get out and do somethings you may see things different. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

What type of people do need a PT dog? I know that Britney Spears has two and that The Owner of Budwieser has two for her family. I know quite of few executives in Mexico City have them. But where is the line for the rest of us the none high profile people who most likely will not be kidnapped for money.??