Ugghhh... <just trying to get me to watch it again?> I am only going to do this once.... It is in the 8 to 8 video Section 4. He shows a young Malomar... Cindy's puppy in a harness for a lot of the video.

"When we take our puppies for walks we don't use a choke chain or prong collar, we like harnesses."...right before a Walk is not just a Walk...and checking to make sure the puppy doesn't have to go before a walk.

<Ed...see I pay attention....> especially to people that take the time out to tell me what their creds are....

Right after "NO JOGGING UNTIL 12 MONTHS"(little swimming pool vid)
"Swimming is one of the best forms of exercises we can do for our dogs". Paraphrase... It puts no stress on our puppies joints...

Here he states:
"Notice we use a harness on Andy. The reason for this is that in our method of training, which, is to train with markers. We don't want to control the puppy with a collar on the dogs neck. We want to save applying pressure to the dogs neck until the dog is older. Usually after teething. Where we use leash pressure to manipulate or move him into positions we want him. By keeping a dog on a harness we basically save the dogs neck for for leash pressure training."

<Paraphrase>....He also describes using the head harness for dogs that really pull hard since the dog cannot pull you with that type of harness.

I am used to writing scientific papers, and quoting authors. I rarely get anything wrong in my quotes....just for the future.... (-;

Got to go to the lake with puppy...see ya!

Ken,

The reason I kept repeating "companion dogs" was to differentiate between basic ob with an older pet and using a harness to save the dog's neck for leash pressure when he is destined for such work as ring sports, etc.

As you quoted: "We want to save applying pressure to the dogs neck until the dog is older. Where we use leash pressure to manipulate or move him into positions we want him. By keeping a dog on a harness we basically save the dogs neck for for leash pressure training."


I was talking about a collar for basic ob training for an 8-month-old companion dog who has been used to a collar!

JMO!

PS

"Ugghhh... <just trying to get me to watch it again?>"

 Quote: ken eric

By keeping a dog on a harness we basically save the dogs neck for for leash pressure training."


I am used to writing scientific papers, and quoting authors. I rarely get anything wrong in my quotes....just for the future.... (-;

I'm not saying you got any quotes wrong... your quoting record stands in that regard. I'm just not sure you got the intent of that quote covered correctly. Ed is speaking of a working dog in preparation of future training, and we are discussing a companion/family dog - correct? Two different animals, but this has most probably not been adequately addressed in any scientific papers. RATS!!!!

 Quote: connie sutherland

Ken,
The reason I kept repeating "companion dogs" was to differentiate between basic ob with an older pet and using a harness to save the dog's neck for leash pressure when he is destined for such work as ring sports, etc...

I was talking about a collar for basic ob training for a companion dog.

JMO!

Connie,
Sorry, I thought that even companion dogs train for walking with....leash pressure? I didn't know the video was only for work dogs. Ring sports??? (I don't even want to know) My head is spinning. I thought it was general instructions for all dogs. It worked so well for me. Like a charm.

If I had to train any dog again I would do the harness thing even for a companion pup in a snap. I don't understand the difference on leash pressure training, but that is why I am here learning.

Way off topic on this thread now...

As you can see I am a type A, and follow directions to the letter I made my whole family watch the video....they hate me A walk is not just a walk....

I learned how to use smilies today! Thank you so much for all your time.

This harness vs. collar issue was also discussed in Heeling DVD: the reason we don't start leash pressure training with puppies till after teething is because there is pressure involved (this is escape training, puppy learns to turn the pressure off by following the leash) and most handlers are not skilled enough to avoid conflict.

In ME method neither harness nor collar is used for making behaviors in pre-teething puppy OB training, both are only means to make sure the puppy does not wander off.

When the puppy is old enough leash pressure is introduced and training collar is used to make the puppy follow the leash. Most working dogs post-teething are too strong to be walked on harness.

After the training collar is introduced the harness is used only for pulling. Pressure on the harness signals the dog to lunge forward.

There is no reason not to follow the same method with a pet puppy. Even a pet puppy has to be trained to follow the leash before it could be used for walks.

Anyway, the OP's puppy is a 8.5 months old GSD and is too strong to be walked on a harness.

 Quote: Ana Kozlowsky

.... In ME method neither harness nor collar is used for making behaviors in pre-teething puppy OB training, both are only means to make sure the puppy does not wander off. .... When the puppy is old enough leash pressure is introduced and training collar is used to make the puppy follow the leash. Most working dogs post-teething are too strong to be walked on harness. ... After the training collar is introduced the harness is used only for pulling. Pressure on the harness signals the dog to lunge forward. .... Anyway, the OP's puppy is a 8.5 months old GSD and is too strong to be walked on a harness.

In a nutshell. And a MUCH better explanation. Thank you!

Now we can return to the actual topic!