Re: off leash dogs!
[Re: Cat Richter ]
#373853 - 02/20/2013 09:09 PM |
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the thing is at one point no one know what it means and later eery one does it to have space.
At one horse show near 50% of the horses had red ribbons in their tails.
And like Kelly said if you run up my horse ass you deserve to get kick.
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Re: off leash dogs!
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#373854 - 02/20/2013 09:55 PM |
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This does work, and even if someone's dumb enough to ignore the warnings and there is an incident, you've got some form of defence if it becomes a legal issue.
Nope, I can see the opposite really. Just as a "Beware of Dog" sign opens you to a lawsuit, acknowledging your dog's "aggression" can and will be used against you. They will argue that since you went to the trouble of tying a yellow ribbon around your leash you should have also muzzled, kept them kenneled, whatever. Arguing that your dog simply wants some space and the other owner allowed their dog to be obnoxious won't hold up.
See this link and it's comments for an idea of what the average person thinks of warning people to stay away from your dog. http://dogknobit.com/2012/08/30/beware-of-dog-or-yellow-ribbon-a-good-idea-or-it-is-asking-for-a-lawsuit/ I will note that the proposed strategy of using a service dog in training vest is extremely unethical.
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Re: off leash dogs!
[Re: Cat Richter ]
#373856 - 02/20/2013 09:57 PM |
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The opposite side is an interesting point.
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Re: off leash dogs!
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#373866 - 02/21/2013 06:55 AM |
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The following is a rant. It is only a rant, and not directed at any individual or post. It is a rant, and that's all the warning I'm willing to engage.
I am sick up to my eye teeth with the never ending efforts of people, organizations, governments, etc. trying to engineer behaviors to prevent a situation that is in the first, middle and last instance, the responsibility of the individual.
Please, please, please do not try to save me from myself.
As an aside a ribbon, neckerchief or other outward and visible signs designed to advise random interpersonal encounters of the need to observe some modicum of decorum and self imposed restraint, would be evidenced in the excrement of my mutts later in their digestive cycle. Even the dogs know that signs of any stripe are attempts to manage that which is unmanageable, and that would be the boorishness of the blissfully ignorant.
My dog, my responsibility, my problem. Your dog, your responsibility, your problem. Simple. My mutts don't need any new best friends. They don't need to discover the wonders of meeting your dog Frankly, your dog is probably not as well trained as mine, your control is likely to be lacking, and an unwanted outcome is predictable. And if you use one of those zip leashes, we probably have less than zero to talk about when it comes to mutts.
Ribbons? Nah. Kinda like the color codes for threat levels, and no one can interpret what the heck they mean. And I subscribe to the notion that if you can read the sign you're too darned close.
See what happens when I don't have enough coffee? See?
I like dogs but I am less enthralled by the actions of their owners. Actually, I'm probably more enthralled, mystified, awed by and stupefied by the actions of dog owners. Please spare me more shortcuts that dumb down expectations or seek to shift the real responsibility center away from the dog owner.
If I don't know you or your mutt, I'll cross the street to avoid you, honest. Please offer me the same consideration.
People. Take responsibility for your own actions and those of your mutt. I'll do the same. Can't we all just get along?
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Re: off leash dogs!
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#373867 - 02/21/2013 08:08 AM |
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I liked your rant, Mike. You and most of the others pretty much said everything I believe also so I won't repeat it.
The only thing I will add that I disagree with is I do not make it a point of avoiding the idiots. I actually seek them out. Our dog Bailey, a Malinois, was a holy terror as a pup with her fear and agression. We worked our butts off socializing, training, and just generally working with her to teach her how to focus on us and behave herself. If we can do it, every dog owner should be able to do it. No excuses.
Therefore, I take a merciless approach to idiots. As long as I'm not putting my dog in danger, I make it a mission to make these people aware of and feel uncomfortable with their behavior. I will glare and comment any chance I get to let them know what they are doing is unacceptable. I just don't want them to think they are totally getting away with it or that their behavior is OK. Bottom line, it is my street or path as much as theirs and I will not be driven away just because they are morons.
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Re: off leash dogs!
[Re: Cat Richter ]
#373891 - 02/21/2013 06:20 PM |
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Mike, I always love your 'words of wisdom'. LOL
MY DOGS...MY RULES
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Re: off leash dogs!
[Re: Cat Richter ]
#373937 - 02/22/2013 03:43 PM |
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Yesterday I was out biking Logan and got chased by a malti-poo that a man left out in his front yard off leash to potty. He called but she didn't listen at all. I sped up because I didn't want Logan to get hold of her (small dogs are prey to him) and she followed us pretty far. She finally stopped at an intersection and was almost hit by a car. My hands were tied, I wanted to not only save the dog but give the owner a piece of my mind. UGH!!!!
I didn't want to risk Logan blowing a down stay in an intersection while I pick up the little dog. I could have pulled it off otherwise, carried her while holding Logan and the handlebar in on hand and the prey item in my other. ;-) Been done before with a JRT.
LOL Greg you're a crusader!
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Re: off leash dogs!
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#373960 - 02/22/2013 08:07 PM |
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The following is a rant. It is only a rant, and not directed at any individual or post. It is a rant, and that's all the warning I'm willing to engage.
I am sick up to my eye teeth with the never ending efforts of people, organizations, governments, etc. trying to engineer behaviors to prevent a situation that is in the first, middle and last instance, the responsibility of the individual.
Please, please, please do not try to save me from myself.
As an aside a ribbon, neckerchief or other outward and visible signs designed to advise random interpersonal encounters of the need to observe some modicum of decorum and self imposed restraint, would be evidenced in the excrement of my mutts later in their digestive cycle. Even the dogs know that signs of any stripe are attempts to manage that which is unmanageable, and that would be the boorishness of the blissfully ignorant.
My dog, my responsibility, my problem. Your dog, your responsibility, your problem. Simple. My mutts don't need any new best friends. They don't need to discover the wonders of meeting your dog Frankly, your dog is probably not as well trained as mine, your control is likely to be lacking, and an unwanted outcome is predictable. And if you use one of those zip leashes, we probably have less than zero to talk about when it comes to mutts.
Ribbons? Nah. Kinda like the color codes for threat levels, and no one can interpret what the heck they mean. And I subscribe to the notion that if you can read the sign you're too darned close.
See what happens when I don't have enough coffee? See?
I like dogs but I am less enthralled by the actions of their owners. Actually, I'm probably more enthralled, mystified, awed by and stupefied by the actions of dog owners. Please spare me more shortcuts that dumb down expectations or seek to shift the real responsibility center away from the dog owner.
If I don't know you or your mutt, I'll cross the street to avoid you, honest. Please offer me the same consideration.
People. Take responsibility for your own actions and those of your mutt. I'll do the same. Can't we all just get along?
I understand this view point, but it seems extremely idealistic. In the real world, most people are going to be idiots, and most people are going to ruin a hobby for the people who truly love it and are invested in it.
"Wishing" people will be responsible will not happen, and telling people to be responsible doesn't work either. Comprehensive education only happens when it is mandated, like it or not.
I'd love to live in an area where I am not forced in interact with off-leash dogs or owners who let their dogs pull them towards me/my dog, but I live in an urban area. In urban areas, we are forced to interact with other people, other people who are not going to follow "common courtesy." In many areas, it is common for owners to let their dog greet strange dogs. Sometimes I can't cross the street for logistical reasons.
As I said earlier, if only ONE person sees a yellow ribbon, and gives me 5 feet of room before I have to say something, I think it's worth it. Should a ribbon be a crutch? No. Should it be an excuse? Of course not.
I'm of the opinion that more information is better than less information. If I see a yellow ribbon on a strange dog, I'll cross the street, they don't have to. I'm a nice guy. I know how much of a pain dealing with a reactive dog is, so I'll cross before they do, simply to help them out, and help their dog know that not every person/dog will barrel at them.
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Re: off leash dogs!
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#373964 - 02/22/2013 09:19 PM |
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There is a very large # of people that ignore
"Service Dog" "Do not Pet," "No", how is this yellow ribbon different?
How will the yellow ribbon help with those who ignore leash laws?
Is there a difference between a yellow ribbon hanging from your leash and a Beware of Dog sign hanging on your house?
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Re: off leash dogs!
[Re: Cat Richter ]
#373966 - 02/22/2013 09:37 PM |
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Funny, people are supposed to pay attention to a yellow ribbon...I mean isn't the actual dog more of a cue for uncommon sense?
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